Personally, I think Mars might be a bit easier, but others say Venus.
Thoughts, anons?
mars is perfect. build a greenhouse structure, ship in some water, start maing a small ecosystem, pump the new o2 into the atmosphere while your pants use up all the co2 in the atmosphere. introduce animals.
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
Terraforming is a sh*t idea.
Humanity will have to expand into space stations.
Pluto.
Having read the Red Mars trilogy, I'd hafta go with Mars
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
Venus already has an atmosphere
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
Pluto.
If you drag it into the inner solar system, maybe...
How about we terraform a planet with enough gravity to hold its atmosphere, huh?
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
Planets tent to mass higher than moons and therefore are more likely to retain an atmosphere
I thought they ruled out Venus a long long time ago, since it's pretty much an acid/lava wasteland...right?
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
Europa is far superior to Titan. Closer to the sun and not all the water is frozen.
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
>Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
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What about Io? And Europa? And the moon? And Mars? And like three others.
Europa is far superior to Titan. Closer to the sun and not all the water is frozen.
Unless the Monolith gets there forst
or terraform our moon. best idea.
Io, definitely.
Plus it'd be so badass to look up at the sky and BLAM! JUPITER!
Terraforming is a sh*t idea.
Humanity will have to expand into space stations.
Domed colonies are actually more plausible than space stations.
A giant, metal country costs sh*ttons more money.
Oglethorpe is into terraformation, meaning it's probably a bad idea
Mars lacks a magnetosphere.
Solution: orbiting superconducting magnets at the poles.
Io, definitely.
Plus it'd be so badass to look up at the sky and BLAM! JUPITER!
Would be cool.
Io, definitely.
Plus it'd be so badass to look up at the sky and BLAM! JUPITER!
I thought Io was deep inside Jupiter's radiation belt, so we might need some extreme radiation filtering materials first
I thought Io was deep inside Jupiter's radiation belt, so we might need some extreme radiation filtering materials first
Oh. Well.
Sure. :3
Mars lacks a magnetosphere.
Solution: orbiting superconducting magnets at the poles.
Just build underground.
We could find the habitable zone in Saturn's atmosphere, and build like Cloud City
Mars lacks a magnetosphere.
Solution: orbiting superconducting magnets at the poles.
isn't there some way they think they could shift mars' magnetosphere back into working condition? because at some point i think it did have one but the polarity got switched or something.
isn't there some way they think they could shift mars' magnetosphere back into working condition? because at some point i think it did have one but the polarity got switched or something.
The Martian core is inert, so I don't think there is a way to recreate a natural magnetosphere.
Venus, I think, if we can get it to loose some heat (she's one crazy hot bitch, heh).
isn't there some way they think they could shift mars' magnetosphere back into working condition? because at some point i think it did have one but the polarity got switched or something.
It actually has to do with the core solidifying - Earth's core is liquid iron, spinning at a rate such that it acts like a magneto. To restart Mars' magnetic field, we'd need to add a lot of heat and motion to its core.
Venus, I think, if we can get it to loose some heat (she's one crazy hot bitch, heh).
Redirect heat from Venus to Mars, make two for the price of one?
Venus, I think, if we can get it to loose some heat (she's one crazy hot bitch, heh).
One idea for colonizing Venus involves floating cities high in the atmosphere where the heat isn't as extreme.
we can live in the upper atmosphere of venus, it is easy to float in being dense, and great weather no need to terraform
we can live in the upper atmosphere of venus, it is easy to float in being dense, and great weather no need to terraform
One idea for colonizing Venus involves floating cities high in the atmosphere where the heat isn't as extreme.
hive mind
hvemind
Just build underground.
Kind of eliminates the point of TERRA-FORMING.
80% of Venu's surface is lava, and there are constant hurricanes whose power far surpass anything we can imaginbe and the clouds are mostly composed of acid.
Mars plox
Kind of eliminates the point of TERRA-FORMING.
Not if we make the underground rocks look similar to those of Earth
One idea for colonizing Venus involves floating cities high in the atmosphere where the heat isn't as extreme.
venu's atmosphere is thick and riddled with constant storms and acid clouds.
nty mars plox
Giant thin mirrors redirecting sunlight could suitably heat Mars to get it's carbon and oxygen unfrozen, and then it'd have plenty of atmosphere.
There's plenty of water, just under the surface.
venu's atmosphere is thick and riddled with constant storms and acid clouds.
nty mars plox
If we could build or bioengineer something that was really good at breaking down carbon dioxide, and were willing to live in the high atmosphere for a long time, there certainly would be plenty of interesting materials on Venus
Io, definitely.
Plus it'd be so badass to look up at the sky and BLAM! JUPITER!
Io?
F**k Io, that place is volcanic.
PEOPLE. PEOPLE.
How the f**k is Mars going to hold on to a thick atmosphere?
PEOPLE. PEOPLE.
How the f**k is Mars going to hold on to a thick atmosphere?
Gravity?
>my face when everyone know stuff about astronomy and I don't know anything
Gravity?
IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH GRAVITY
>my face when everyone know stuff about astronomy and I don't know anything
I don't either, I just know enough to sound like I know a lot =P
You know what planet sucks, you guys? Mercury.
F**K THAT PLANET I HATE IT. IT SUCKS SO BAD.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH GRAVITY
Just build a thin tent-like shell around the whole planet
Probably Mars.
If they filled the atmosphere with CO2 its would raise the temperature, then they could plant trees and grass and sh*t, and those would make the CO2 into oxygen.
Obviously exact caluclations are needed
Mars. Heat up Mars a few celcius and melt the ice caps. Wait a litttle while and it will terraform. Plus when it comes to heating up planets humans are awesome at it.
Since Mars doesn't have a very large gravity well, the atmosphere at the surface would likely be very thin; however, if you were to then dig a deep hole, would the pressure at the bottom be similar to that of Earth?
Probably Mars.
If they filled the atmosphere with CO2 its would raise the temperature, then they could plant trees and grass and sh*t, and those would make the CO2 into oxygen.
Obviously exact caluclations are needed
The atmosphere is 95% CO2 already :\
buckyballs dudes, buckyballs.
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Mars. Heat up Mars a few celcius and melt the ice caps. Wait a litttle while and it will terraform. Plus when it comes to heating up planets humans are awesome at it.
we could bottle up and ship all greenhouse gasses to Mars
why arent we doing that yet?
It actually has to do with the core solidifying - Earth's core is liquid iron, spinning at a rate such that it acts like a magneto. To restart Mars' magnetic field, we'd need to add a lot of heat and motion to its core.
NUKE IT
Haven't you ever seen The Core?
europa for sure
I'd go to Mars. Then I could be with David Bowie.
we could bottle up and ship all greenhouse gasses to Mars
why arent we doing that yet?
It's kind of impractical to do that now.
we could bottle up and ship all greenhouse gasses to Mars
why arent we doing that yet?
Because it would cost A LOT, and would require materials we haven't invented yet
NUKE IT
Haven't you ever seen The Core?
Yes, I have. 'Facepalm'
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
The moons of Jupiter are constantly basting in the intense radiation that Jupiter emits.
Venus: 100x the atmospheric pressure of earth
Mars: 1/100ths the atmospheric pressure of earth
Solution: USE PORTALS
The moons of Jupiter are constantly basting in the intense radiation that Jupiter emits.
I wonder if the ice on Europa would be thick enough to shield the possible oceans from much of the radiation
Since Mars doesn't have a very large gravity well, the atmosphere at the surface would likely be very thin; however, if you were to then dig a deep hole, would the pressure at the bottom be similar to that of Earth?
Yes. Also, less gravity means a thinner atmosphere, but with enough gasses it would have the same effect as Earth's even at the surface.
The moons of Jupiter are constantly basting in the intense radiation that Jupiter emits.
Europa's ice protects it from the radiation.
Venus: 100x the atmospheric pressure of earth
Mars: 1/100ths the atmospheric pressure of earth
Solution: USE PORTALS
With that pressure differential, would the atmosphere flying out of the portal on Mars be kept on Mars by its feeble gravity, or would it rocket into space to be lost forever?
Mars isn't going to work. We still have no way to give Mars the electrical field of Earth, which is necessary to minimize solar radiation. Even if we fixed the atmosphere, temperature, soil, etc. we'd be exposed to massive quantities of solar radiation.
With that pressure differential, would the atmosphere flying out of the portal on Mars be kept on Mars by its feeble gravity, or would it rocket into space to be lost forever?
a lot of it would be lost into space. Mars would hang on to a good portion of it though, at least initially. It would degrade over the next few hundred million years, i suspect.
I like the idea of starting out in a crater, i have seen science fiction shows, wehre they build rather large city's in a crater, and have equipment [which clearly is far beyond out time] to maintain atmospheric conditions ideal for humans to survive.
why don't we use venus to terraform mars? like take the carbon dioxide from venus and put it on mars that way mars will get a thicker atmosphere and warm up so it can hold water
Does Venus have a magnetic field?
Mars isn't going to work. We still have no way to give Mars the electrical field of Earth, which is necessary to minimize solar radiation. Even if we fixed the atmosphere, temperature, soil, etc. we'd be exposed to massive quantities of solar radiation.
This.
We'd have to give Mars a fluid interior somehow. It rotates fast enough to produce a magnetic field, but its core is solid.
Does Venus have a magnetic field?
Nope! Rotates way too slowly.
243 days = 1 day on Venus.
224 days = one year.
Venus: 100x the atmospheric pressure of earth
Mars: 1/100ths the atmospheric pressure of earth
Solution: USE PORTALS
i wonder if they could move venus and mars close together so they would form one planet if that would be easier to terraform the planet it makes lol
This.
We'd have to give Mars a fluid interior somehow. It rotates fast enough to produce a magnetic field, but its core is solid.
WE HAVE TO JUMP START THE CORE
Does Venus have a magnetic field?
yes, but its rather weak
This.
We'd have to give Mars a fluid interior somehow. It rotates fast enough to produce a magnetic field, but its core is solid.
We could artificially create a magnetic field with superconducting electromagnets strategically placed around the planet
i wonder if they could move venus and mars close together so they would form one planet if that would be easier to terraform the planet it makes lol
"they" being who? the gods? because at this point, that's pretty much what it would take
This.
We'd have to give Mars a fluid interior somehow. It rotates fast enough to produce a magnetic field, but its core is solid.
if you add stuff to mars the core temp will rise
WE HAVE TO JUMP START THE CORE
yes, but its rather weak
If it has a magnetic field, it's 25,000 times weaker than Earth.
Even Mercury has a stronger magnetic field.
i wonder if they could move venus and mars close together so they would form one planet if that would be easier to terraform the planet it makes lol
Just put a bunch of mass-drivers on one side of Venus and move it out to a farther orbit
"they" being who? the gods? because at this point, that's pretty much what it would take
they being whatever could do it lmao
i wonder if that theory to move large asteroids away from earth by having something float near it enough to slowly pull it with gravity would work on a planet
If it has a magnetic field, it's 25,000 times weaker than Earth.
Even Mercury has a stronger magnetic field.
If it has a magnetic field, it's 25,000 times weaker than Earth.
Even Mercury has a stronger magnetic field.
"The new upper limit on the dipole moment obtained from the Pioneer Venus Orbiter wake measurements placed the Venus intrinsic magnetic field at ~ 10^-5 times that of Earth."
-http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/venus_mag/
So yeah, at most, 100,000 times weaker than earth
"The new upper limit on the dipole moment obtained from the Pioneer Venus Orbiter wake measurements placed the Venus intrinsic magnetic field at ~ 10^-5 times that of Earth."
-http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/venus_mag/
So yeah, at most, 100,000 times weaker than earth
Oh, I thought the magnetic field hadn't been detected yet. Interesting!
Still not enough to mean sh*t in terms of UV protection, though.
Mars was once in the inhabitable zone of the solar system. Unfortunately, after many, many years it is now not. If we terraformed it, it would be too cold to sustain life.
Venus was never in the inhabitable zone. Terraforming it will cool it down a sh*t tonne, but it'd still be too hot to sustain life. IIRC, it's only the hottest planet in our solar system because of the composition of the planet's atmosphere. I don't know the specifics.
The moon can't sustain an atmosphere, so terraforming the moon is hopeless.
Europa sounds nice in theory, but the theory as the why it's sustainable is purely because they believe it's heated by the satellite's own core.
Purely science fiction, but if we somehow found a way to move a satellite closer to Jupiter or possibly changed the composition of Jupiter, we could create an inhabitable planet. Remember, Jupiter is a gas giant, it's giving off heat and holds some of the components stars hold.
Ugh why do all the planets in our solar system suck so bad :\
I can't wait for them to find out more about Gliese 581 c and d.
spoiler: this is never become even close to concievable
Oh, I thought the magnetic field hadn't been detected yet. Interesting!
Still not enough to mean sh*t in terms of UV protection, though.
huh? magnetic field doesn't do uv protection. It protects against high energy charged particles. The ozone layer protects us from UV, and it's only there because of oxygen producing plants.
Mars was once in the inhabitable zone of the solar system. Unfortunately, after many, many years it is now not. If we terraformed it, it would be too cold to sustain life.
Venus was never in the inhabitable zone. Terraforming it will cool it down a sh*t tonne, but it'd still be too hot to sustain life. IIRC, it's only the hottest planet in our solar system because of the composition of the planet's atmosphere. I don't know the specifics.
The moon can't sustain an atmosphere, so terraforming the moon is hopeless.
Europa sounds nice in theory, but the theory as the why it's sustainable is purely because they believe it's heated by the satellite's own core.
Purely science fiction, but if we somehow found a way to move a satellite closer to Jupiter or possibly changed the composition of Jupiter, we could create an inhabitable planet. Remember, Jupiter is a gas giant, it's giving off heat and holds some of the components stars hold.
how is the temperature of Mars, compared to Alaska?
Mars was once in the inhabitable zone of the solar system. Unfortunately, after many, many years it is now not. If we terraformed it, it would be too cold to sustain life.
Venus was never in the inhabitable zone. Terraforming it will cool it down a sh*t tonne, but it'd still be too hot to sustain life. IIRC, it's only the hottest planet in our solar system because of the composition of the planet's atmosphere. I don't know the specifics.
The moon can't sustain an atmosphere, so terraforming the moon is hopeless.
Europa sounds nice in theory, but the theory as the why it's sustainable is purely because they believe it's heated by the satellite's own core.
Purely science fiction, but if we somehow found a way to move a satellite closer to Jupiter or possibly changed the composition of Jupiter, we could create an inhabitable planet. Remember, Jupiter is a gas giant, it's giving off heat and holds some of the components stars hold.
It's the hottest in the solar system because of a runaway greenhouse effect. It had no liquid oceans or plant life to outgas the CO2.
Mars was once in the inhabitable zone of the solar system. Unfortunately, after many, many years it is now not. If we terraformed it, it would be too cold to sustain life.
Venus was never in the inhabitable zone. Terraforming it will cool it down a sh*t tonne, but it'd still be too hot to sustain life. IIRC, it's only the hottest planet in our solar system because of the composition of the planet's atmosphere. I don't know the specifics.
The moon can't sustain an atmosphere, so terraforming the moon is hopeless.
Europa sounds nice in theory, but the theory as the why it's sustainable is purely because they believe it's heated by the satellite's own core.
Purely science fiction, but if we somehow found a way to move a satellite closer to Jupiter or possibly changed the composition of Jupiter, we could create an inhabitable planet. Remember, Jupiter is a gas giant, it's giving off heat and holds some of the components stars hold.
There's a theory that Io is kept volcanically active because of the extreme gravitational differential on it from Jupiter - in effect, Jupiter is squeezing Io's core.
Ugh why do all the planets in our solar system suck so bad :\
I can't wait for them to find out more about Gliese 581 c and d.
not to mention Gliese 581 e!!!
And as it is getting bigger and hotter, its gravitational attraction is getting weaker, so we should be moving with the habitable zone
huh? magnetic field doesn't do uv protection. It protects against high energy charged particles. The ozone layer protects us from UV, and it's only there because of oxygen producing plants.
You're right, sorry. It protects us from the solar wind.
not to mention Gliese 581 e!!!
Is e even in the habitable zone...?
OP here. I thought this thread would die out quickly, last time I made a sci-fi/astronomy thread it did.
Thank you for being nerds with me, anons <3
Is e even in the habitable zone...?
no, but it is really small and it proves we can find planets that small :)
Is e even in the habitable zone...?
Gliese 581 e orbits its star in 3 days, holy sh*t.
here's the habitable zone, for all curious. So, only Earth is in it, but Mars is close.
no, but it is really small and it proves we can find planets that small :)
True! They sent out a radio message to 581 c, did you know that? It'll reach it in 2049 iirc.
OP here. I thought this thread would die out quickly, last time I made a sci-fi/astronomy thread it did.
Thank you for being nerds with me, anons <3
> Thank you for being nerds with me, anons <3
I wish I was nerdier in the good way ;_;
Anyone know if there are any planets in the inhabitable zone of Gliese? Even if there was, it'd take 20 years to travel there by light speed =\ I think we're a few years off intrasolar travel, let alone FTL intersolar travel.
Mars was once in the inhabitable zone of the solar system. Unfortunately, after many, many years it is now not. If we terraformed it, it would be too cold to sustain life.
Venus was never in the inhabitable zone. Terraforming it will cool it down a sh*t tonne, but it'd still be too hot to sustain life. IIRC, it's only the hottest planet in our solar system because of the composition of the planet's atmosphere. I don't know the specifics.
The moon can't sustain an atmosphere, so terraforming the moon is hopeless.
Europa sounds nice in theory, but the theory as the why it's sustainable is purely because they believe it's heated by the satellite's own core.
Purely science fiction, but if we somehow found a way to move a satellite closer to Jupiter or possibly changed the composition of Jupiter, we could create an inhabitable planet. Remember, Jupiter is a gas giant, it's giving off heat and holds some of the components stars hold.
lol it would be much easier to live on a freezing planet then a burning planet
> Thank you for being nerds with me, anons <3
I wish I was nerdier in the good way ;_;
Anyone know if there are any planets in the inhabitable zone of Gliese? Even if there was, it'd take 20 years to travel there by light speed =\ I think we're a few years off intrasolar travel, let alone FTL intersolar travel.
> Thank you for being nerds with me, anons <3
I wish I was nerdier in the good way ;_;
Anyone know if there are any planets in the inhabitable zone of Gliese? Even if there was, it'd take 20 years to travel there by light speed =\ I think we're a few years off intrasolar travel, let alone FTL intersolar travel.
>Gliese 581 c initially generated interest because it was originally reported to be the first potentially Earth-like planet in the habitable zone of its star, with a temperature right for liquid water on its surface, and by extension, potentially capable of supporting extremophile forms of Earth-like life.[2][5] However, further research on the potential effects of the planetary atmosphere casts doubt upon the habitability of Gliese 581 c and indicates that the fourth planet in the system, Gliese 581 d, is a better candidate for habitability.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581_c
Pluto.
Pluto isn't a planet.
here's the habitable zone, for all curious. So, only Earth is in it, but Mars is close.
the sun will expand causing mars to be in the habitable zone :3
lol it would be much easier to live on a freezing planet then a burning planet
So that you could have an excuse to cuddle with men, amiright?
Speaking of planets orbiting red dwarf stars...
They speculate that planets that orbit them might be tidally locked, creating one side of perpetual day and another side of perpetual night. This is so interesting to me.
I know life would most likely exist in the twilight zone of a planet like that, but maybe if it had enough of an atmosphere to transfer heat around...
Venus would be a better long term habitat for humanity than Mars if we could cool it down. Mars has nothing of value, and even if we made it suitable for habitation, the best we could expect would be a boggy tundra. It would be best to just bombard it with meteors and wait for the surface to cool off.
With Venus, we could simply build a shield in space to protect it from the solar wind and to get the greenhouse affect under control and then we could tug in hydrogen/water rich meteors to fix the atmosphere.
But this is probably a couple centuries down the line because we'd need to be able to fix it's day/night cycle.
Speaking of planets orbiting red dwarf stars...
They speculate that planets that orbit them might be tidally locked, creating one side of perpetual day and another side of perpetual night. This is so interesting to me.
I know life would most likely exist in the twilight zone of a planet like that, but maybe if it had enough of an atmosphere to transfer heat around...
Did I say twilight zone?
Wtf me.
DUN NUN NUN A
So that you could have an excuse to cuddle with men, amiright?
lol i never need an excuse to cuddle with men >:3
the sun, that planet would be good
the sun, that planet would be good
do you know how much an apartment costs on the sun?
Speaking of planets orbiting red dwarf stars...
They speculate that planets that orbit them might be tidally locked, creating one side of perpetual day and another side of perpetual night. This is so interesting to me.
I know life would most likely exist in the twilight zone of a planet like that, but maybe if it had enough of an atmosphere to transfer heat around...
If it had enough of an atmosphere, there'd be heavy winds at the terminator line all the time. Good for power generation. Also, the heat differential between sides would make power generation via Sterling or Peltier engine a good idea
the sun will expand causing mars to be in the habitable zone :3
I'm pretty sure the sun will shrink and lose power, which is the process it goes from being a large dwarf to going supernova. In the end, Venus will become inside the inhabitable zone. Unfortunately, there's not enough oxygen and water on Venus to sustain carbon based life.
lol i never need an excuse to cuddle with men >:3
I Hear ya man
I'm pretty sure the sun will shrink and lose power, which is the process it goes from being a large dwarf to going supernova. In the end, Venus will become inside the inhabitable zone. Unfortunately, there's not enough oxygen and water on Venus to sustain carbon based life.
The sun will grow before it shrinks. It'll consume Earth and make the outer solar system quite a nice place.
Speaking of planets orbiting red dwarf stars...
They speculate that planets that orbit them might be tidally locked, creating one side of perpetual day and another side of perpetual night. This is so interesting to me.
I know life would most likely exist in the twilight zone of a planet like that, but maybe if it had enough of an atmosphere to transfer heat around...
So I'm guess the only inhabitable parts are the areas in perpetual dawn or dusk? Perpetual midday and perpetual midnight would have the wrong temperature to sustain life, right?
I'm pretty sure the sun will shrink and lose power, which is the process it goes from being a large dwarf to going supernova. In the end, Venus will become inside the inhabitable zone. Unfortunately, there's not enough oxygen and water on Venus to sustain carbon based life.
no, the sun has been expanding and getting hotter over the past 2 billion years and it will continue to do so
If it had enough of an atmosphere, there'd be heavy winds at the terminator line all the time. Good for power generation. Also, the heat differential between sides would make power generation via Sterling or Peltier engine a good idea
And I wonder what the heat rejection rate would be on the dark side; as in, I wonder if the dark side's temperature would be enough to sustain life, assuming Earth's atmospheric properties
no, the sun has been expanding and getting hotter over the past 2 billion years and it will continue to do so
*4 billion i mean, not 2 billion
So I'm guess the only inhabitable parts are the areas in perpetual dawn or dusk? Perpetual midday and perpetual midnight would have the wrong temperature to sustain life, right?
I think it might depend on the atmosphere and the distance from the star.
Problem is, a tidally locked planet wouldn't generate a magnetic field, so no radiation protection there.
Hmmm....
I think it might depend on the atmosphere and the distance from the star.
Problem is, a tidally locked planet wouldn't generate a magnetic field, so no radiation protection there.
Hmmm....
But if you're on the night side, would there be much radiation at all?
But if you're on the night side, would there be much radiation at all?
I... hm, I'm not sure, really. Probably not, because it's not facing the star.
terraforming is irrelevant.
homo sapiens will never be able to colonize other planets and post-humans will not need an earth like environment.
terraforming is merely an aesthetic action.
terraforming is irrelevant.
homo sapiens will never be able to colonize other planets and post-humans will not need an earth like environment.
terraforming is merely an aesthetic action.
So we're doomed to either die out or evolve into something not resembling life as we know it? (Cue Philosophy discussion NOW)
terraforming is irrelevant.
homo sapiens will never be able to colonize other planets and post-humans will not need an earth like environment.
terraforming is merely an aesthetic action.
But it's sure as hell to speculate about, no?
So we're doomed to either die out or evolve into something not resembling life as we know it? (Cue Philosophy discussion NOW)
It's estimated than in 200 million years, Earth will be like Mars.
Plate tectonics can't keep going on forever...
It's estimated than in 200 million years, Earth will be like Mars.
Plate tectonics can't keep going on forever...
But hopefully sometime in those 200 million years, we'll figure a way to get off this rock
But if you're on the night side, would there be much radiation at all?
No, most of the radiation we're protected from actually comes from deep space. The radiation caused by the sun is fine. It's mostly ultra-violet and alpha/beta radiation, if I recall correctly. It's not life threatening, but it's not great either.
Gamma radiation is what f**ks you up. This sh*t comes from deep space.
No, most of the radiation we're protected from actually comes from deep space. The radiation caused by the sun is fine. It's mostly ultra-violet and alpha/beta radiation, if I recall correctly. It's not life threatening, but it's not great either.
Gamma radiation is what f**ks you up. This sh*t comes from deep space.
But as I recall, out magnetic field doesn't do much against gamma rays, so if ever there is a majot gamma eruption aimed in our direction, we'll all be dead
LOL I LOVE MASTERS OF ORION
I'm sad no one got my Futurama reference...
do you know how much an apartment costs on the sun?
I'm sad no one got my Futurama reference...
I got it, Anon!
I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge it.
I got it, Anon!
I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge it.
Yay! I now feel better.
I'm sad no one got my Futurama reference...
Get an apartment on the dark side of the sun: they're cheaper, and you don't have to deal with blinding radiation all the time
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
Mars. None of the others will retain an atmosphere. Bombing the icecaps plus the introduction of genetically engineered plants and microorganisms would do it.
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LOLZ !!!!
Water on Mars SUBLIMATES in a matter of days, because of a thin atmosphere, because Mars is half the Earth's size, and cant hold a big enough atmosphere.
Venus is 99.78% the size of Earth. That's why the call her our Sister planet. All we have to do is cool her off, and in 300 years it would be liveable. They proposed to do this by injecting reflective particle in to the clouds of Venus. That is ALL you would need, then just wait 300 years.
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LOLZ !!!!
Water on Mars SUBLIMATES in a matter of days, because of a thin atmosphere, because Mars is half the Earth's size, and cant hold a big enough atmosphere.
Venus is 99.78% the size of Earth. That's why the call her our Sister planet. All we have to do is cool her off, and in 300 years it would be liveable. They proposed to do this by injecting reflective particle in to the clouds of Venus. That is ALL you would need, then just wait 300 years.
If we were to fill its atmosphere with something heavy, like Xenon, then even if we couldn't breathe it, could we get the pressure up to somewhere nominal?
Where would you get a planet's worth of xenon from regardless of whether or not it could work?
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LOLZ !!!!
Water on Mars SUBLIMATES in a matter of days, because of a thin atmosphere, because Mars is half the Earth's size, and cant hold a big enough atmosphere.
Venus is 99.78% the size of Earth. That's why the call her our Sister planet. All we have to do is cool her off, and in 300 years it would be liveable. They proposed to do this by injecting reflective particle in to the clouds of Venus. That is ALL you would need, then just wait 300 years.
Bro, if that was possible the alien civilisation that once lived on Venus would have saved Venus instead of terraforming earth.
Venus became too sh*t. The sulphur dioxide and the tiny amount of nitrogen makes Venus a sh*t candidate.
Bro, if that was possible the alien civilisation that once lived on Venus would have saved Venus instead of terraforming earth.
Venus became too sh*t. The sulphur dioxide and the tiny amount of nitrogen makes Venus a sh*t candidate.
>Bro, if that was possible the alien civilisation that once lived on Venus would have saved Venus instead of terraforming earth.
wat
I think Venus was more Earth-like in the past, but not enough to develop civilization.
If we were to fill its atmosphere with something heavy, like Xenon, then even if we couldn't breathe it, could we get the pressure up to somewhere nominal?
1. That would defeat the purpose of terraforming, to have a liveable planet surface trees, plants, water and life
2. Where would all that Xenon come from, a planet's atmosphere worth of Xenon, we don't have that much in the ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM.
Where would you get a planet's worth of xenon from regardless of whether or not it could work?
It was the first heavy gas off the top of my head, I really don't know the commonness of any of the heavier gases
Bro, if that was possible the alien civilisation that once lived on Venus would have saved Venus instead of terraforming earth.
Venus became too sh*t. The sulphur dioxide and the tiny amount of nitrogen makes Venus a sh*t candidate.
No, obviously at one point, Venus and Mars were both habitable, but then Venus industrialized faster, pumping tons of CO2 and Sulfur into the atmosphere, and then decided that the Mars people were bitches, and then stopped their magnetic field. The Mars people terraformed earth, moved in, then the Venus people came in and kicked their ass back to the Middle East. And then, America was born.
So we're doomed to either die out or evolve into something not resembling life as we know it? (Cue Philosophy discussion NOW)
humanity isn't "doomed to die", just cursed to for ever remain on a single world.
why? a lot o reasons but it mostly boils to the in efficiency of transportingenuity our whole bodies and keeping them alive and healthy and also to the limited scope of environments and resources humans can use.
post humans ,perhaps machine bodies with human minds downloaded into them, on the other hand, are alot better in both respects.
1. That would defeat the purpose of terraforming, to have a liveable planet surface trees, plants, water and life
2. Where would all that Xenon come from, a planet's atmosphere worth of Xenon, we don't have that much in the ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM.
But its a lot easier to build enclosed buildings when you can build them like tents, instead of like pressure vessels - a large savings on material, and if you have a leak, the building won't catastrophically explode
terraform earth first fool.
terraform earth first fool.
Ok, what do you want to form it into? Terraforming means recreating it to be like the Earth
Ok, what do you want to form it into? Terraforming means recreating it to be like the Earth
Turn parts of Africa and the Middle East into fertile land yo,
Terraforming Venus is like the sh*ttiest idea ever, there's so much nasty junk there we'd have to clear out first. You could even describe the concept as being...
terra-fying
Ganymede, not officially a planet but much easier since it has more frozen water on it and with Jupiter giving off plenty of heat it wouldn't be so hard.
Turn parts of Africa and the Middle East into fertile land yo,
well, if we had the power of fusion, we would have effectively unlimited energy, which means we could desalinate and transport tons of water to those regions.
Venus, despite being the sh*thole it is right now, is far closer to the Sun than Mars. I don't think we can terraform a planet with next to no atmosphere and an average daily temperature of -60 C
humanity isn't "doomed to die", just cursed to for ever remain on a single world.
why? a lot o reasons but it mostly boils to the in efficiency of transportingenuity our whole bodies and keeping them alive and healthy and also to the limited scope of environments and resources humans can use.
post humans ,perhaps machine bodies with human minds downloaded into them, on the other hand, are alot better in both respects.
>transportingenuity
damn spell checker, always f**king up my "ing"s...
Ganymede, not officially a planet but much easier since it has more frozen water on it and with Jupiter giving off plenty of heat it wouldn't be so hard.
No.
Jupiter doesn't give off NEARLY enough heat to make its moons sustainable. You could try to turn Jupiter into a binary star, but we can't do that without the help from the Aschen and those fa**ots want to make our women infertile.
Use greenhouse gasses on Mars with a higher specific gravity than CO2.
Turn parts of Africa and the Middle East into fertile land yo,
What would happen if the Sahara desert and Arabian desert ceased to exist and became fertile? Would the planet cool?
No.
Jupiter doesn't give off NEARLY enough heat to make its moons sustainable. You could try to turn Jupiter into a binary star, but we can't do that without the help from the Aschen and those fa**ots want to make our women infertile.
F**k yooou Europa is gonna be awesome.
Turn parts of Africa and the Middle East into fertile land yo,
parts of the middle east are actually already extremely fertile, it's just that the constant wars keep f**king sh*t up.
No.
Jupiter doesn't give off NEARLY enough heat to make its moons sustainable. You could try to turn Jupiter into a binary star, but we can't do that without the help from the Aschen and those fa**ots want to make our women infertile.
What about the aliens from 2001: Space Odyssey?
F**k yooou Europa is gonna be awesome.
I hope they find a fish there.
F**K BACTERIA
I hope they find a fish there.
F**K BACTERIA
Or a large black monolith
Or a large black monolith
Great... give black people another thing to brag about.
Great... give black people another thing to brag about.
Black people are only black because of their melanin.
Black people are only black because of their melanin.
And technically, they're not even black, but a dark shade of brown. Inb4 racism
I'm pretty sure the sun will shrink and lose power, which is the process it goes from being a large dwarf to going supernova. In the end, Venus will become inside the inhabitable zone. Unfortunately, there's not enough oxygen and water on Venus to sustain carbon based life.
Our sun will not go supernova nor will it even go nova. It is a smallish star so it will just grow to encompass the inner planets before it blows off it's outer shell and starts going though it's various stages of dwarf star.
As for terraforming; It is a completely unrealistic concept. I am a huge scifi buff, but even I realize the human race is just not suited to life outside of our little bluegreen pearl in the universe. We have only been to our moon. In the cosmic scale this is like walking from the kitchen to the walkin freezer. For f**k's sake, humanity can't even agree on how we as a species got here. How are we going to ever come together to create something close to the technology required to make a lifeless planet habitable. I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
Our sun will not go supernova nor will it even go nova. It is a smallish star so it will just grow to encompass the inner planets before it blows off it's outer shell and starts going though it's various stages of dwarf star.
As for terraforming; It is a completely unrealistic concept. I am a huge scifi buff, but even I realize the human race is just not suited to life outside of our little bluegreen pearl in the universe. We have only been to our moon. In the cosmic scale this is like walking from the kitchen to the walkin freezer. For f**k's sake, humanity can't even agree on how we as a species got here. How are we going to ever come together to create something close to the technology required to make a lifeless planet habitable. I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
Our best bet would be for a Trekkie or some such to become a fanatical world dictator, expending all resources toward moving into space
Our sun will not go supernova nor will it even go nova. It is a smallish star so it will just grow to encompass the inner planets before it blows off it's outer shell and starts going though it's various stages of dwarf star.
As for terraforming; It is a completely unrealistic concept. I am a huge scifi buff, but even I realize the human race is just not suited to life outside of our little bluegreen pearl in the universe. We have only been to our moon. In the cosmic scale this is like walking from the kitchen to the walkin freezer. For f**k's sake, humanity can't even agree on how we as a species got here. How are we going to ever come together to create something close to the technology required to make a lifeless planet habitable. I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
It's depressing, isn't it? We couldn't even get to Mars and back without serious bodily problems.
Welp.
TIME TO GENETICALLY ENGINEER HUMANS
Our sun will not go supernova nor will it even go nova. It is a smallish star so it will just grow to encompass the inner planets before it blows off it's outer shell and starts going though it's various stages of dwarf star.
As for terraforming; It is a completely unrealistic concept. I am a huge scifi buff, but even I realize the human race is just not suited to life outside of our little bluegreen pearl in the universe. We have only been to our moon. In the cosmic scale this is like walking from the kitchen to the walkin freezer. For f**k's sake, humanity can't even agree on how we as a species got here. How are we going to ever come together to create something close to the technology required to make a lifeless planet habitable. I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
> I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
Although the rest of your post seemed spot on, I'd like to point out that humans once thought it was impossible to sail to America, to fly, to find a productive use of electricity (and a productive means of generating it), to rocket to the moon and to split an atom.
What we say is impossible NOW will become possible within 1000 years. By then our imagination will grow to claim that new feats are impossible, which will be proved possible within another 1000 years.
By the year 3000, I'm expecting functional intra-solar travel and at least some mild unmanned exploration of other solar systems. This isn't taking account for a second dark age or a Luddite movement, which looks like it's right around the corner for us.
cont.
Our sun will not go supernova nor will it even go nova. It is a smallish star so it will just grow to encompass the inner planets before it blows off it's outer shell and starts going though it's various stages of dwarf star.
As for terraforming; It is a completely unrealistic concept. I am a huge scifi buff, but even I realize the human race is just not suited to life outside of our little bluegreen pearl in the universe. We have only been to our moon. In the cosmic scale this is like walking from the kitchen to the walkin freezer. For f**k's sake, humanity can't even agree on how we as a species got here. How are we going to ever come together to create something close to the technology required to make a lifeless planet habitable. I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
Space is big. Really big. You just won't
believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big
it is. I mean you may think it's a long way
down the road to the chemist, but that's
just peanuts to space. Listen ... and so on.
In order to even start manned exploration of our solar system one would first need to address the issue of air and water. Even in a closed system there would be a net loss. Not everything can be endlessly recycled and if we were to even try the ship would have to be so massive that no known form of perpetuation could move it. That brings us to point 2. No known or theoretical technology could allow for us to build a ship capable of sending people to anywhere but our closest planets, Mars and Venus. To even get to the asteroid belt we would be talking about building a ship that could sustain someone for months to years. There is currently no known method to accelerate a manned ship (which we already established would have to be so large we would be bordering on the ridiculous) to the kind of speed needed to even get to the outer planets within an astronaut's very short life expediency. Why so short? One word; radiation. In just going to the moon (still well within the protective barrier of the earth) astronauts were exposed to radiation levels equal to standing in front of an X-Ray machine for a year. Once you get outside of this protective barrier, astronauts would be dead inside of a month. Again, there is no known way to shield an astronaut from the amount of radiation someone would get in outer space. Even with a shell of lead 5 feet thick much of it would still get in. I could go on like this for hours; picking apart every reason it will never happen, but I think you all get the point. As cool as it sounds and as much as I wished it would happen, it just won't.
Titan
Titan
TOO
F**KING
COLD
TOO
F**KING
COLD
It can't be as bad as a Michigan winter
cont.moar
Space is big. Really big. You just won't
believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big
it is. I mean you may think it's a long way
down the road to the chemist, but that's
just peanuts to space. Listen ... and so on.
In order to even start manned exploration of our solar system one would first need to address the issue of air and water. Even in a closed system there would be a net loss. Not everything can be endlessly recycled and if we were to even try the ship would have to be so massive that no known form of perpetuation could move it. That brings us to point 2. No known or theoretical technology could allow for us to build a ship capable of sending people to anywhere but our closest planets, Mars and Venus. To even get to the asteroid belt we would be talking about building a ship that could sustain someone for months to years. There is currently no known method to accelerate a manned ship (which we already established would have to be so large we would be bordering on the ridiculous) to the kind of speed needed to even get to the outer planets within an astronaut's very short life expediency. Why so short? One word; radiation. In just going to the moon (still well within the protective barrier of the earth) astronauts were exposed to radiation levels equal to standing in front of an X-Ray machine for a year. Once you get outside of this protective barrier, astronauts would be dead inside of a month. Again, there is no known way to shield an astronaut from the amount of radiation someone would get in outer space. Even with a shell of lead 5 feet thick much of it would still get in. I could go on like this for hours; picking apart every reason it will never happen, but I think you all get the point. As cool as it sounds and as much as I wished it would happen, it just won't.
Some final thoughts to leave you all with. Un-manned exploration of the universe is still well within reason. Sending a probe or some form of anon is realistic with only minor technological breakthrough. A suitable power source and adequate population would be our real limitations at the moment. A probe is not going to care about relativistic speeds. It does not need food, air or water. It does not need the same sort of radiation protection and will work without the physiological need for other probes/anons.
As a final note, I am pretty baked. Carl Sagan baked, though. I get super insightful when I am like this.
It can't be as bad as a Michigan winter
You would be surprised. About 25 degrees kelvin surprised.
You would be surprised. About 25 degrees kelvin surprised.
As long as it doesn't get down to 17K, I'll be happy
why dont we just be like walle and build big ships.
essentially large cans-o-humans.
also, realy-quick clonign machines for food (think microwave cloning- press a button and 30 seconds later, meat from a single cloned cell!) and re-breathers (essentially fke plants).
sounds good to me.
It actually has to do with the core solidifying - Earth's core is liquid iron, spinning at a rate such that it acts like a magneto. To restart Mars' magnetic field, we'd need to add a lot of heat and motion to its core.
Take all those nukes we're supposedly tossing out and throw them at Mars. That'll fix everything.
why dont we just be like walle and build big ships.
essentially large cans-o-humans.
also, realy-quick clonign machines for food (think microwave cloning- press a button and 30 seconds later, meat from a single cloned cell!) and re-breathers (essentially fke plants).
sounds good to me.
How would you move something that big? All forms of chemical perpetuation are just out due to the amount of fuel needed would vastly outweigh even the ship. An ion drive is all well and good, but is is slow and still requires a fuel source. Fission or fusion sound good, but how would one harness that power to move a ship? It's not like you can just nuke your way to Jupiter.
You would be surprised. About 25 degrees kelvin surprised.
DEGREES KELVIN?
F**K YOU
F**K YOU
F**K YOU
F**K YOU
How would you move something that big? All forms of chemical perpetuation are just out due to the amount of fuel needed would vastly outweigh even the ship. An ion drive is all well and good, but is is slow and still requires a fuel source. Fission or fusion sound good, but how would one harness that power to move a ship? It's not like you can just nuke your way to Jupiter.
Project Orion. We have the nukes, all we need is to break a treaty
Terraforming is for fa**ots. We can't even live in our balanced, pre-existing ecosystem on Earth without dicking it all up, and we're going to CREATE ONE FROM SCRATCH?
Hurr Durr lolscience
Terraforming is a sh*t idea.
Humanity will have to expand into space stations.
This is closest to what scientists theorise. Also mars has only 1 third the gravity of earth so it can not hold a usable atmosphere.
DEGREES KELVIN?
F**K YOU
F**K YOU
F**K YOU
F**K YOU
My bad. It's just Kelvin.
we should terrorform avatar
Terraforming is for fa**ots. We can't even live in our balanced, pre-existing ecosystem on Earth without dicking it all up, and we're going to CREATE ONE FROM SCRATCH?
Hurr Durr lolscience
Better to experiment on another planet than on ours if failure means death
we should terrorform avatar
You mean Pandora?
You mean Pandora?
NNNNEEEEERRRDDDD
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I've actually never seen the movie, though calling me a nerd while posting in a thread on the feasability of terraforming?
I've actually never seen the movie, though calling me a nerd while posting in a thread on the feasability of terraforming?
Y-yeah but I...
YOU'RE STILL A NERD
the only way i see space exploration becoming plausible is if we make portals. send an unmanned ship to mars and have anons construct a portal then just walk through on our side. You know like star-gate.
the only way i see space exploration becoming plausible is if we make portals. send an unmanned ship to mars and have anons construct a portal then just walk through on our side. You know like star-gate.
Or Lost in Space
Y-yeah but I...
YOU'RE STILL A NERD
Yup. And I don't have a problem with it, sorry.
Yup. And I don't have a problem with it, sorry.
You have no sense of humor, anon.
NONE.
You have no sense of humor, anon.
NONE.
Nope, and I'm angsty about it
Mars is easiest, but it's got a lower gravity than would be ideal. You'll need to replenish the atmosphere every 10,000 years or so to keep up with the bleed off, and you need to build the planet a prosthetic magnetosphere or find some way to restart the core. The simplest way would be to park something the size of one of the Jovian moons in a highly elliptical orbit and let the tidal stresses warm everything up, but that's one tall order, even for a transforming project.
Venus is almsot a match for earth in gravity, but you need to worry about dealing with a resident atmosphere made of hate and the fact that the day is as long as the year, so your going to need a way to spin that bitch up a bit.
Mars is easiest, but it's got a lower gravity than would be ideal. You'll need to replenish the atmosphere every 10,000 years or so to keep up with the bleed off, and you need to build the planet a prosthetic magnetosphere or find some way to restart the core. The simplest way would be to park something the size of one of the Jovian moons in a highly elliptical orbit and let the tidal stresses warm everything up, but that's one tall order, even for a transforming project.
Venus is almsot a match for earth in gravity, but you need to worry about dealing with a resident atmosphere made of hate and the fact that the day is as long as the year, so your going to need a way to spin that bitch up a bit.
Rockets on the equator, Big ones. Speed up the spin. Or else fragment the planet into tiny pieces
Rockets on the equator, Big ones. Speed up the spin. Or else fragment the planet into tiny pieces
Or put up gigantic "shades" that rotate and imitiate a 24 hour day.
Or put up gigantic "shades" that rotate and imitiate a 24 hour day.
But without the spin you won't get convection cells, might do interesting things to how the heat is distributed through the atmosphere
Or put up gigantic "shades" that rotate and imitiate a 24 hour day.
But what do you do when the months of night come?
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
The moons around gas giants are hard to work with because of DAT RADIATION.
The moons around gas giants are hard to work with because of DAT RADIATION.
But we can filter it, with rock, and water, and lead
we haven't colonized antarctica or the sea floor-going about terraforming anything is ridiculous for the time being imo
we haven't colonized antarctica or the sea floor-going about terraforming anything is ridiculous for the time being imo
It's science fiction right now, yeah.
But it's fun to think about the possibilities, don't be such a serious ass.
Mars is easiest to terraform but we aren't positive of how it will affect our bone growth.
Venus -is- the best "long term" planet to terraform, and we could reposition it and even get it to retain atmosphere. The problem is doing all of that is.. just.. so f**king impossible at our current tech level, and not even anytime in the next couple hundred years could we hope to be so adviceanced.
Mars is easiest, but it's got a lower gravity than would be ideal. You'll need to replenish the atmosphere every 10,000 years or so to keep up with the bleed off, and you need to build the planet a prosthetic magnetosphere or find some way to restart the core. The simplest way would be to park something the size of one of the Jovian moons in a highly elliptical orbit and let the tidal stresses warm everything up, but that's one tall order, even for a transforming project.
Venus is almsot a match for earth in gravity, but you need to worry about dealing with a resident atmosphere made of hate and the fact that the day is as long as the year, so your going to need a way to spin that bitch up a bit.
By the time we have the ability to move planetary bodies, and then put them in a place were they won't fly out into space in a few thousand years terraforming would be entirely possible or downright unnecessary.
If we could move the planets why not just shoot venus out to a point where we would not burn up on the surface. At that point we'd only need pressure/oxygen suits. Perhaps even then we'd have the technology to blow off large portions of it's atmosphere so you wouldn't be crushed like a tincan, then all you'd need is an oxygen suit which can be fixed with fully enclosed biodomes.The likes of which could probably be build and used here on earth under the sea.
As for terraforming in general. I think it's a lost cause. There's no way you could possibly make such a process cost efficient.
Regarding titan or an other moon on gas giants, you would have to find a way to overcome the massive amounts of radiation generated by their planet. Then there is the increased asteroid activity caused by the massive gravity by the planet. Also there will be a lot of tidal forces involved with orbiting a large giant planet. This could cause excess tectonic activities.
The only feasible means of space colonization would be with space stations. And even then this is not without its own share of problems. One being the lack of a means to generate a gravity-like force, which brings along many other problems. (lack of a simple means of reproduction, muscular atrophy, etc) Also we don't have an affective means of shielding against radiation.
Good God this thread exploded :3
You guys are awesome.
um i thought we already decided were terraforman avatar, bros
um i thought we already decided were terraforman avatar, bros
I thought it was pretty much terraformed
Titan
dense atmosphere
surface liquid
supreme moon
I always wondered why we had to terraform the _whole_ planet...
Why planets? There are many moons that would be much more suited to supporting life from Earth. For instance Titan, one of Saturn's moons, is the only other body in our solar system with stable bodies of water.
This.
Also, other solar systems. HUMANITY MUST GAIN POWER.
I always wondered why we had to terraform the _whole_ planet...
Agreed. In fact, I think thats one of the recommended ways to make Mars habitable
This.
Also, other solar systems. HUMANITY MUST GAIN POWER.
Just as soon as we discover either faster than light travel, or else an efficient method of a generation ship
Our sun will not go supernova nor will it even go nova. It is a smallish star so it will just grow to encompass the inner planets before it blows off it's outer shell and starts going though it's various stages of dwarf star.
As for terraforming; It is a completely unrealistic concept. I am a huge scifi buff, but even I realize the human race is just not suited to life outside of our little bluegreen pearl in the universe. We have only been to our moon. In the cosmic scale this is like walking from the kitchen to the walkin freezer. For f**k's sake, humanity can't even agree on how we as a species got here. How are we going to ever come together to create something close to the technology required to make a lifeless planet habitable. I have serious doubts that humans will even get to the point of exploring our own solar system.
>>We have only been to our moon.
The first powered flight by man was in 1903, the moon landing was in 1969.
That's 66 years, one lifespan, between man being able to fly and man walking on the moon.
Don't underestimate humans, we can do just about anything. Personally I think the real problem is we no longer have the will to explore. People live good, easy lives and consider spending billions of dollars on things that don't directly effect them to be a waste, they're quick to forget that the human instinct to explore is the main reason why we're not extinct.
And one more thing. As a species we're still in diapers.
Humans kick arse.
You guys are so f**king stupid. Humans can't survive anywhere without a special environment. That's why we have to abandon our flesh body and become machines.
You guys are so f**king stupid. Humans can't survive anywhere without a special environment. That's why we have to abandon our flesh body and become machines.
im a anon =|
When you become machines, you will be more powerful than you can ever imagine.
Think Ironman and Dr.Octopus added together. Not even close. Think Terminator 2. Not even remotely close. The truth is stranger than fiction my friends. You can have as many limbs and computing power as you want. You can make yourself into anything you want. Physics is the limit.
> boo hoo mars doesn't have exactly the same gravity as earth and it's a little chilly plus we don't have the technology to get there quickly
come the f**k on. start the greenhouse gassing to warm that sh*t up. then get some f**king plants going on to make mad oxygen level extra high (f**king spacecraft are pure oxygen environments because the pressure's mad low) and BOOM you can f**king breathe outside and it's all warm and sh*t. now we've got a bunch of goddamn humans just chilling out on this planet that was f**king useless before. plus GODDAMN there's probably resources there that we can use.
i mean sh*t a hundred years ago we didn't have powered flight and we've been to the goddamn moon. forty years ago. and we haven't tried anything since then. deuterium-tritium fusion is SO F**KING CLOSE to surpassing breakeven and then helium-3 is gonna be f**king crucial to a badass fusion reaction. oh hey, that sh*t is on the moon. SO F**K, WE'D BETTER GO TO THE MOON AND GET THAT SH*T. that means we'd better make cheaper and faster ways to transport people and materials to and from the moon. and once we've done that (which is f**king easy goddamn) we're halfway to mars (in terms of energy use). AND WE'VE GOT A F**KING MOON BASE WITH A WAY OF FIRING MATERIALS TO EARTH. POINT THAT SH*T AT MARS. oh also refuel it on the moon with moon materials to reduce your loaded weight from earth drastically.
i mean damn. we went to the moon just because we felt like it. soon we'll have fusion reactions that can drive the world economy if only we can get a little material off the moon. think we'll be motivated then? let's get this sh*t rolling already.
> boo hoo mars doesn't have exactly the same gravity as earth and it's a little chilly plus we don't have the technology to get there quickly
come the f**k on. start the greenhouse gassing to warm that sh*t up. then get some f**king plants going on to make mad oxygen level extra high (f**king spacecraft are pure oxygen environments because the pressure's mad low) and BOOM you can f**king breathe outside and it's all warm and sh*t. now we've got a bunch of goddamn humans just chilling out on this planet that was f**king useless before. plus GODDAMN there's probably resources there that we can use.
i mean sh*t a hundred years ago we didn't have powered flight and we've been to the goddamn moon. forty years ago. and we haven't tried anything since then. deuterium-tritium fusion is SO F**KING CLOSE to surpassing breakeven and then helium-3 is gonna be f**king crucial to a badass fusion reaction. oh hey, that sh*t is on the moon. SO F**K, WE'D BETTER GO TO THE MOON AND GET THAT SH*T. that means we'd better make cheaper and faster ways to transport people and materials to and from the moon. and once we've done that (which is f**king easy goddamn) we're halfway to mars (in terms of energy use). AND WE'VE GOT A F**KING MOON BASE WITH A WAY OF FIRING MATERIALS TO EARTH. POINT THAT SH*T AT MARS. oh also refuel it on the moon with moon materials to reduce your loaded weight from earth drastically.
i mean damn. we went to the moon just because we felt like it. soon we'll have fusion reactions that can drive the world economy if only we can get a little material off the moon. think we'll be motivated then? let's get this sh*t rolling already.
Wouldn't having plant life counteract the effects of the greenhouse gases, essentially re-neutralizing the planet in terms of the environmental effects of the gases, bringing us back, for all intents and purposes, to square 1? Also, plants need water, which isn't exactly in abundance on the surface of Mars (I have no idea about Venus though).
Wouldn't having plant life counteract the effects of the greenhouse gases, essentially re-neutralizing the planet in terms of the environmental effects of the gases, bringing us back, for all intents and purposes, to square 1? Also, plants need water, which isn't exactly in abundance on the surface of Mars (I have no idea about Venus though).
I believe one of the polar ice caps is believed to be composed of water ice, and evidence for sub-surface ice has been found...
Wouldn't having plant life counteract the effects of the greenhouse gases, essentially re-neutralizing the planet in terms of the environmental effects of the gases, bringing us back, for all intents and purposes, to square 1? Also, plants need water, which isn't exactly in abundance on the surface of Mars (I have no idea about Venus though).
if we can create greenhouse gases through some reactions of native materials in quantities great enough to warm the planet a few degrees and also get some plants to reach equilibrium at a point of high oxygen, we can sure as balls maintain a useful amount of greenhouse gases. plus mars could have a f**king sh*tload of water. it did, at least. why can't it again?
The Earth.
If sh*t goes down the drain, and we have a nuclear war/eco-disaster, it would be so much easier to fix our planet, then terraform a new one.
Mars will not retain an atmosphere, solar wind will shear it.
> boo hoo mars doesn't have exactly the same gravity as earth and it's a little chilly plus we don't have the technology to get there quickly
come the f**k on. start the greenhouse gassing to warm that sh*t up. then get some f**king plants going on to make mad oxygen level extra high (f**king spacecraft are pure oxygen environments because the pressure's mad low) and BOOM you can f**king breathe outside and it's all warm and sh*t. now we've got a bunch of goddamn humans just chilling out on this planet that was f**king useless before. plus GODDAMN there's probably resources there that we can use.
i mean sh*t a hundred years ago we didn't have powered flight and we've been to the goddamn moon. forty years ago. and we haven't tried anything since then. deuterium-tritium fusion is SO F**KING CLOSE to surpassing breakeven and then helium-3 is gonna be f**king crucial to a badass fusion reaction. oh hey, that sh*t is on the moon. SO F**K, WE'D BETTER GO TO THE MOON AND GET THAT SH*T. that means we'd better make cheaper and faster ways to transport people and materials to and from the moon. and once we've done that (which is f**king easy goddamn) we're halfway to mars (in terms of energy use). AND WE'VE GOT A F**KING MOON BASE WITH A WAY OF FIRING MATERIALS TO EARTH. POINT THAT SH*T AT MARS. oh also refuel it on the moon with moon materials to reduce your loaded weight from earth drastically.
i mean damn. we went to the moon just because we felt like it. soon we'll have fusion reactions that can drive the world economy if only we can get a little material off the moon. think we'll be motivated then? let's get this sh*t rolling already.
>start the greenhouse gassing
>The atmosphere on Mars consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen, 1.6% argon, and contains traces of oxygen, water, and methane, for a mean molecular weight of 43.34 g/mole
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
GB2/SKL YOU IGNORANT C**T.
Mars will not retain an atmosphere, solar wind will shear it.
Not if we can give it magnetic shielding.
Not if we can give it magnetic shielding.
That'd be quite a trick...
That'd be quite a trick...
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-atmosphere-00b.html
>start the greenhouse gassing
>The atmosphere on Mars consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen, 1.6% argon, and contains traces of oxygen, water, and methane, for a mean molecular weight of 43.34 g/mole
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
GB2/SKL YOU IGNORANT C**T.
UH OH YOU SCHOOLED ME WITH THAT WIKIPEDIA DATA! chill the f**k out. see, what we need to do is find a way to manufacture those f**king halocarbon supergreenhouse gases at a similar (or greater) rate than what we're doing on earth. that sh*t might be easy since the people on mars could be using sh*tloads of energy to mine for some goddamn mars materials that aren't abundant on earth. i don't f**king know about what's gonna be valuable in the future. but anyway as long as we only use perflourocarbons we won't sh*t up the ozone layer like we're doing here and we'll have f**king insane greenhouse effect going on. just producing greenhouse gases at the current earth rate would raise the temperature 10C in a couple decades, which would release all the co2 and water in the soil (it's probably there), which would be trapped in that badass greenhouse atmosphere, accelerating the process to the point where we could be walking around breathing that f**king mars air in like fifty years.
we already know an enclosed greenhouse structure filled with an atmosphere equivalent to that on mars and at the same pressure supports plant life. undersurface water can be extracted with some f**king microwaves or some sh*t, so we can have agriculture and energy reserves before we even f**king colonize. let's do this sh*t.
UH OH YOU SCHOOLED ME WITH THAT WIKIPEDIA DATA! chill the f**k out. see, what we need to do is find a way to manufacture those f**king halocarbon supergreenhouse gases at a similar (or greater) rate than what we're doing on earth. that sh*t might be easy since the people on mars could be using sh*tloads of energy to mine for some goddamn mars materials that aren't abundant on earth. i don't f**king know about what's gonna be valuable in the future. but anyway as long as we only use perflourocarbons we won't sh*t up the ozone layer like we're doing here and we'll have f**king insane greenhouse effect going on. just producing greenhouse gases at the current earth rate would raise the temperature 10C in a couple decades, which would release all the co2 and water in the soil (it's probably there), which would be trapped in that badass greenhouse atmosphere, accelerating the process to the point where we could be walking around breathing that f**king mars air in like fifty years.
we already know an enclosed greenhouse structure filled with an atmosphere equivalent to that on mars and at the same pressure supports plant life. undersurface water can be extracted with some f**king microwaves or some sh*t, so we can have agriculture and energy reserves before we even f**king colonize. let's do this sh*t.
OH I F**KING FORGOT. all that greenhouse sh*t would serve to increase the atmospheric pressure. BY ABOUT THIRTY-FIVE F**KING TIMES. 5psi doesn't sound that hot, but that's what f**king skylab and mir were and they worked great.
f**k i gotta sleep.
UH OH YOU SCHOOLED ME WITH THAT WIKIPEDIA DATA! chill the f**k out. see, what we need to do is find a way to manufacture those f**king halocarbon supergreenhouse gases at a similar (or greater) rate than what we're doing on earth. that sh*t might be easy since the people on mars could be using sh*tloads of energy to mine for some goddamn mars materials that aren't abundant on earth. i don't f**king know about what's gonna be valuable in the future. but anyway as long as we only use perflourocarbons we won't sh*t up the ozone layer like we're doing here and we'll have f**king insane greenhouse effect going on. just producing greenhouse gases at the current earth rate would raise the temperature 10C in a couple decades, which would release all the co2 and water in the soil (it's probably there), which would be trapped in that badass greenhouse atmosphere, accelerating the process to the point where we could be walking around breathing that f**king mars air in like fifty years.
we already know an enclosed greenhouse structure filled with an atmosphere equivalent to that on mars and at the same pressure supports plant life. undersurface water can be extracted with some f**king microwaves or some sh*t, so we can have agriculture and energy reserves before we even f**king colonize. let's do this sh*t.
Yes, but it'd be f**king expensive. And if you just pump CO2 into Martian atmosphere it'd just get blown away by the solar wind.
Yes, but it'd be f**king expensive. And if you just pump CO2 into Martian atmosphere it'd just get blown away by the solar wind.
f**king halocarbon supergreenhouse gases! goddamn ozone! that sh*t's way more conducive to the greenhouse effect than pu**y co2. co2 is a bitch.
>implying microbial life doesn't already exist on Mars.
You'll never create an atmosphere on Mars, the planet is dead and doesn't have a magnetic field around it like on earth. So it can't hold its atmosphere any more.
You'd have to build structures to live inside of.
>implying microbial life doesn't already exist on Mars.
You'll never create an atmosphere on Mars, the planet is dead and doesn't have a magnetic field around it like on earth. So it can't hold its atmosphere any more.
You'd have to build structures to live inside of.
Magnetic field doesn't hold the atmosphere in. It only deflects particles that would slowly strip the atmosphere away. Without it, the thin atmosphere would stay around for a few thousand years
I bring to you, anons, the subject of terraforming.
What planet do you think would be the easiest to terraform? Which planet do you think humanity should try to terraform first?
Personally, I think Mars might be a bit easier, but others say Venus.
Thoughts, anons?
how exactly do you terraform a planet ?
i mean bringing in heavy things from earth seems like a bad idea .
and if we just move earth's resources there then what's the point .
so it needs to be a planet with the basic resources needed for the terraforming , if mars has underground frozed water we can bring in sh*tloads of huge nukes and vaporize it .
and then release bio-engineered microscopic lifeforms .
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