> They all hate it and say they would never fall for it.
What now PUAf**s?
>Implying women will tell you the truth, you, of all people
> Ask a bunch of women what they think about PUA.
> They all hate it and say they would never fall for it.
What now PUAf**s?
>would never fall for it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>Implying women will tell you the truth, you, of all people
> Implying they have reason to lie to their friends.
If you think this has anything to do with whether or not women would actually fall for PUA techniques...you know nothing about women.
> Ask a bunch of women what they think about PUA.
> They all hate it and say they would never fall for it.
What now PUAf**s?
That's usually only their initial reaction. Guys' first reaction to that stuff is usually that it's for losers, and they would never need it.
It helps some people, so get over yourself and stop complaining.
PUA is about getting them to fall for you on a emotional and instinctive level.
Asking them what they think about it is is on a logical level.
Cannot compare logic with feelings, especially when its women.
Is the pic was intended to be related?
Her facial expression surely is...
>Talk to women
>Believe what they say
Retard.
> ask a bunch of fish what they thing about fishing rods
> they all hate it and would never fall for it.
what now fishermenf**s?
PUA is about getting them to fall for you on a emotional and instinctive level.
Asking them what they think about it is is on a logical level.
Cannot compare logic with feelings, especially when its women.
> PUA is about getting them to fall for you on a emotional and instinctive level.
You mean getting ni**er chavs to suck you off in the club bathroom?
PUA is about getting them to fall for you on a emotional and instinctive level.
Asking them what they think about it is is on a logical level.
Cannot compare logic with feelings, especially when its women.
This is the truth, not women are liars and wh**res. You all did know that people function on many, many levels of thought, of which words and logic are merely one.
Women are immediately turned off when they know a guy is using a line.
Women are immediately turned off when they know a guy is using a line.
One of two reactions take place:
>Hey, heaven rang for you, an angels missing.
>That's so cheesy, you can't even think of an original or good pick-up line.
>Hey, heaven rang for you, an angels missing.
>Aww, that's actually quite sweet, He had the courage to say it to me, maybe he's a nice guy, I'll smile at him to let him know I'm interested. I'll also probably comment about how cheesy it is and we'll joke about it then go back to my place for anal and a threesome while his neckbeard friend plays pokemon on his gameboy
What women say they want and what they actually fall for are two different things, my friend.
Women are immediately turned off when they know a guy is using a line.
Even lines as awesome as this?
> Implying I want to trick a girl into liking me.
What you gonna do? Keep up the act for 20 - 30 years of marriage?
That's usually only their initial reaction. Guys' first reaction to that stuff is usually that it's for losers, and they would never need it.
It helps some people, so get over yourself and stop complaining.
Yeah, exactly. They all think it's some kind of manipulation when it's actually a form of self improvement to make yourself more attractive.
PUA isn't all about cheesy lines or routines to get women to sleep with you. You'll do that in the beginning because you haven't implemented it yet into your personality.
> Implying I want to trick a girl into liking me.
What you gonna do? Keep up the act for 20 - 30 years of marriage?
PUA sh*t is not about marriage. It's about sleeping with women. There's no reason to keep up the act past that goal. You'd be wrong for assuming the goal reaches anything beyond that.
PUA only works if you're at least above average looking.
PUA sh*t is not about marriage. It's about sleeping with women. There's no reason to keep up the act past that goal. You'd be wrong for assuming the goal reaches anything beyond that.
Then it's not for me as I have no desire to f**k skanks.
PUA only works if you're at least above average looking.
thats so wrong
Would never fall for it? Hahahahahahahahaha.
All PUA is is telling women what they want to hear and making socializing into a science. They "fall" for it all the time.
Then it's not for me as I have no desire to f**k skanks.
Why the f**k do you try to build a reputation on an anonymous imageboard?
PUA sh*t is not about marriage. It's about sleeping with women. There's no reason to keep up the act past that goal. You'd be wrong for assuming the goal reaches anything beyond that.
PUA is about getting a right mindset when interacting with girls. Some use it for f**king a lot of different girls, some for long term.
The fact they hate it should cause every single one of us to download a bunch of PUA books right f**king now. Practical misogyny is best misogyny!
PUA is about getting a right mindset when interacting with girls. Some use it for f**king a lot of different girls, some for long term.
Is there such a thing for normal social interaction? ;_;
Hey PUAf**s, i finally started to grow a ball and dated a girl. f**ked up and got friendzoned. what would you recommend to start getting into the game?
thanx - lonley basementf**
Is there such a thing for normal social interaction? ;_;
Well there's lots of wrong mindsets if you like having sex, let me put it like that.
It's not like there's a single correct way, everyone does his thing.
But there are basic principles like,
feel good about yourself,
have standards,
consider dating and f**king girls a natural thing not a long sought after dream that will never be fullfilled
Hey PUAf**s, i finally started to grow a ball and dated a girl. f**ked up and got friendzoned. what would you recommend to start getting into the game?
thanx - lonley basementf**
David deangelo. He's good for dating and getting relationships.
If you wanna just go to bars and get sex maybe go for "mystery method" or something like that.
Well there's lots of wrong mindsets if you like having sex, let me put it like that.
It's not like there's a single correct way, everyone does his thing.
But there are basic principles like,
feel good about yourself,
have standards,
consider dating and f**king girls a natural thing not a long sought after dream that will never be fullfilled
>consider dating and f**king girls a natural thing not a long sought after dream that will never be fullfilled
Seems like you forgot where you are. Let me remind you: Welcome to anonymous, where we wallow in our misery and make each other feel even worse. I hope you enjoy your stay.
>PUA
Lol at people who think it works.
David deangelo. He's good for dating and getting relationships.
If you wanna just go to bars and get sex maybe go for "mystery method" or something like that.
thanx dude googleing now.
any more suggestions?
>PUA
Lol at people who think it works.
How's buying her drinks working out for you?
I really don't think this PUA sh*t works.
I mean in the end it boils down to that:
Approach girl -->you are attractive to her-->sex
-->you arfe not attractive to here --->omg creep
>PUA
Lol at people who think it works.
It only works on girls/women who went to a club with the intention of getting laid.
>consider dating and f**king girls a natural thing not a long sought after dream that will never be fullfilled
Seems like you forgot where you are. Let me remind you: Welcome to anonymous, where we wallow in our misery and make each other feel even worse. I hope you enjoy your stay.
Yea im new here actually. But beign lonely and feeling like a loser isn't a static thing. It's not something in your genes. Can be changed if you want to and try to. Gl
>PUA
Lol at people who think it works.
well sitting in my basement fapping to max hardcore doesn't work either. it's worth a shot.
I don't believe anyone in this thread actually knows what PUA is, enjoy your lies and deceit and misguided hate.
I really don't think this PUA sh*t works.
I mean in the end it boils down to that:
Approach girl -->you are attractive to her-->sex
-->you arfe not attractive to here --->omg creep
You're probably not good looking. You're average or below average. And you're lonely. You wanna improve, but it's more safe to sit in your basement and be angry and miserable. Have fun wit that and let the others improve.
If you actually knew how little looks mean to girls you'd be amazed.
I don't believe anyone in this thread actually knows what PUA is, enjoy your lies and deceit and misguided hate.
Yes we do it's when that mystery fa**ot talks to blonde skanks about his magic box.
If you're ugly from birth (not because you're fat or dirty), women won't even accept to talk to you. In this case, how could you do you PUA thing ? You can't.
If you're handsome enough to attract women, you will get laid even if you're shy or feel like a loser, as long as you talk to them. What you will say then doesn't matter, it's purely physical.
That's why I don't think it could work unless you have the right looks (tall, tanned, etc...)
I really don't think this PUA sh*t works.
I mean in the end it boils down to that:
Approach girl -->you are attractive to her-->sex
-->you arfe not attractive to here --->omg creep
It only works on girls/women who went to a club with the intention of getting laid.
No. It really doesn't. Yes, it's easier to do in the clubs because they're up for it alredy. But the point is you take what you learn and apply it to any situation.
PUA is basically finding the common sense that people with low self-esteem have lost.
If you're ugly from birth (not because you're fat or dirty), women won't even accept to talk to you. In this case, how could you do you PUA thing ? You can't.
If you're handsome enough to attract women, you will get laid even if you're shy or feel like a loser, as long as you talk to them. What you will say then doesn't matter, it's purely physical.
That's why I don't think it could work unless you have the right looks (tall, tanned, etc...)
It's not true.
If you're completely f**king ugly, like immensely ugly. Then you're screwed. But if you're just below average you're fine.
You're probably not good looking. You're average or below average. And you're lonely. You wanna improve, but it's more safe to sit in your basement and be angry and miserable. Have fun wit that and let the others improve.
If you actually knew how little looks mean to girls you'd be amazed.
So it's coincidence the most attractive guys get laid the most?
I really don't think this PUA sh*t works.
I mean in the end it boils down to that:
Approach girl -->you are attractive to her-->sex
-->you arfe not attractive to here --->omg creep
>Approach girl -->you are attractive to her-->sex
>-->you are not attractive to her--->omg creep
You'd be surprised at how many variables go between those arrows.
>Approach girl -->you are attractive to her-->sex
>-->you are not attractive to her--->omg creep
You'd be surprised at how many variables go between those arrows.
Please, show me some. I'm always willing to learn something new.
So it's coincidence the most attractive guys get laid the most?
If you're really good looking, you get more approval and feel better about yourself. So you have a better mindset when talking to girls. That's the strength, the mindset.
The average guy who doesn't get the approvals has just about the same possibilities, but more often than not his mindset is worse and he acts as if he doesn't deserve the same girls as goodlooking guy.
No girl wanna sleep with a guy who acts as if he's below her.
Believe it or not man its true
LOL DUDE IVE DONE IT AND IT F**KING WORKS
U HAVE NO CLUE
I WAS ABLE TO MAKE 2 BITCHES MAD INTERESTED UNTIL I RAN OUT OF SH*T TO SAY
F**K YEA FEELS BETTER THEN AVERAGE MAN
TLDR: THE POINT IS
1. GAINING COURAGE BY HAVING SOME HELP ON WHAT TO SAY
2. SAYING SH*T
3. JUST TALKING WITH THEM
U DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT SH*T STRAIGHT TO THE CORE OR DO EVERY MOVE AND ITS LIKE A SECRET COMBO.
LOOK AT IT AS A BACKUP CARD YOU CAN PLAY WHEN YOU ARE OUT OF OPTIONS OR TO BOOST YOUR POSITION WHEN NEEDED.
THATS ALL, BTW WHAT DID THE GIRLS SAY U DID THE PUA ON? EXACTLY FA**OT
It only works on girls/women who went to a club with the intention of getting laid.
>PUA
Lol at people who think it works.
You can't say "it doesn't work", that's just incorrect!
It's not a 'it', a one thing or one line you throw at a girl and supposedly she's attracted to you.
Yes, PUA stuff does include lines and other "canned material", but that's just for beginners, awkward creeps who can't come up with their own stuff. Once you gain some experience, you are going to make your own lines, better yet, your own style.
It's not a single thing, it's about creating a lifestyle where you are attractive to women, and once you get there, women can't do anything but be attracted! You are molding yourself into a man that every girl thinks is attractive because of evolutionary reasons.
Note: I'm not saying a PUA gets every girl he comes across, no, people sometimes legitimately have other stuff to do and other obstacles, but damn me if it is not better than sitting in your mom's basement.
If you're really good looking, you get more approval and feel better about yourself. So you have a better mindset when talking to girls. That's the strength, the mindset.
The average guy who doesn't get the approvals has just about the same possibilities, but more often than not his mindset is worse and he acts as if he doesn't deserve the same girls as goodlooking guy.
No girl wanna sleep with a guy who acts as if he's below her.
Believe it or not man its true
to follow up:
if average guy and goodlooking guy both go out with same mindset, their chances of picking up aren't that different.
Good looking guy will have a slightly better odds, but the difference is small.
So it's coincidence the most attractive guys get laid the most?
>hurr the athlete can run faster than the rest hurr
of course, but it also swings the other way, some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t. And unless you're deformed-ugly (im talking 2/10 here), you CAN get laid easily.
here this is what you do
M sup bitch
F not much
M aight aight, what do i need to do to get in your pants tonight? buy you a sixpack? (show abs) take you to a gun show? (flex biceps)
she be meltin yo straight up im tellin u dis dat sh*t rite thur nomesayin nig, its haw we do in da hood ya fealin meh?!
all women are lying stupid sluts.
>hurr the athlete can run faster than the rest hurr
of course, but it also swings the other way, some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t. And unless you're deformed-ugly (im talking 2/10 here), you CAN get laid easily.
You can even get laid if you are 2/10. The only question is how much you can lower your standards before you get disgusted with yourself.
>hurr the athlete can run faster than the rest hurr
of course, but it also swings the other way, some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t. And unless you're deformed-ugly (im talking 2/10 here), you CAN get laid easily.
> some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t
No they don't women fawn over hot shy guys and will actively approach them. A hot awkward guy still gets women falling onto his dick.
Women don't hate PUAs, they hate that they FALL for PUA bullsh*t. This is how it works for everything women say they hate.
Really they just hate themselves.
> some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t
No they don't women fawn over hot shy guys and will actively approach them. A hot awkward guy still gets women falling onto his dick.
This. I know a guy who is ridiculously good looking (no homo) but also shy as f**k. I sh*t you not, he just sits at a bar quietly and gets apporached by at least a dozen chicks per night. Your theory is flawed.
No one here is going to believe than women care of anything else than looks. It has been proven multiple times already, women only live for sex and only want the guys with the best looks. They have higher beauty standards than men too. Women care about looks more than men, you're not going to convince anyone by claiming the opposite.
> some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t
No they don't women fawn over hot shy guys and will actively approach them. A hot awkward guy still gets women falling onto his dick.
>this is what anonymous actually believes
> Implying they have reason to lie to their friends.
You're a god damned moron. Women don't know what they want, okay? Of course they fall for PUA. So do men. I've f**ked confident fatties before in my life, and enjoyed it.
> some attractive people have no social skills whatsoever and they end up getting jack sh*t
No they don't women fawn over hot shy guys and will actively approach them. A hot awkward guy still gets women falling onto his dick.
this is f**king bullsh*t, maybe its because of the kind of people im around, but im fairly good looking, dress really well and have good posture. i get eyeballed sh*tloads, i get smiles, i get mediocre girls approach. but never really hot ones or like a 7+ which id nail on the spot.
Im a good looking intelligent tall guy. I guess i'm 7/10 or 8/10 depending on whos looking. And social. Lots of friends etc.
I didn't know f**k all about interacting with girls in a sexual way, so I got f**k all. I had lots of friends and now when I look back there's so many missed opportunities. I'm glad I looked into PUA.
You can easily do PUA without picking up at bars. I just use what I know in social situations that happen randomly. I don't approach groups to impress or some sh*t, I just go on like everyone else, but I'm better in the 1-on-1 situations with girls than I used to be. I know how to go from, talking to sexual tension to kiss, to f**k etc etc. I was so clueless before lol
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Yeah, exactly. They all think it's some kind of manipulation when it's actually a form of self improvement to make yourself more attractive.
PUA isn't all about cheesy lines or routines to get women to sleep with you. You'll do that in the beginning because you haven't implemented it yet into your personality.
You can't say "it doesn't work", that's just incorrect!
It's not a 'it', a one thing or one line you throw at a girl and supposedly she's attracted to you.
Yes, PUA stuff does include lines and other "canned material", but that's just for beginners, awkward creeps who can't come up with their own stuff. Once you gain some experience, you are going to make your own lines, better yet, your own style.
It's not a single thing, it's about creating a lifestyle where you are attractive to women, and once you get there, women can't do anything but be attracted! You are molding yourself into a man that every girl thinks is attractive because of evolutionary reasons.
Note: I'm not saying a PUA gets every girl he comes across, no, people sometimes legitimately have other stuff to do and other obstacles, but damn me if it is not better than sitting in your mom's basement.
What I said but expressed in a much better way
this is f**king bullsh*t, maybe its because of the kind of people im around, but im fairly good looking, dress really well and have good posture. i get eyeballed sh*tloads, i get smiles, i get mediocre girls approach. but never really hot ones or like a 7+ which id nail on the spot.
Lol that's cause ur ugly xD
Im a good looking intelligent tall guy. I guess i'm 7/10 or 8/10 depending on whos looking. And social. Lots of friends etc.
I didn't know f**k all about interacting with girls in a sexual way, so I got f**k all. I had lots of friends and now when I look back there's so many missed opportunities. I'm glad I looked into PUA.
You can easily do PUA without picking up at bars. I just use what I know in social situations that happen randomly. I don't approach groups to impress or some sh*t, I just go on like everyone else, but I'm better in the 1-on-1 situations with girls than I used to be. I know how to go from, talking to sexual tension to kiss, to f**k etc etc. I was so clueless before lol
F**KING THIS, WELL SAID BRA
HATERS GONNA HATE
GUESS WHAT
IGNORANT MUCH
LEARN FROM THIS GUY, THATS EXACTLY WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE NORMAL PEOPLE
this is f**king bullsh*t, maybe its because of the kind of people im around, but im fairly good looking, dress really well and have good posture. i get eyeballed sh*tloads, i get smiles, i get mediocre girls approach. but never really hot ones or like a 7+ which id nail on the spot.
He said women, he didn't mention they had to be hot. At least you had some opportunities, you just didn't take them because your standards are high. Most people here have never had and will never have a woman interested in them.
Im a good looking intelligent tall guy. I guess i'm 7/10 or 8/10 depending on whos looking. And social. Lots of friends etc.
I didn't know f**k all about interacting with girls in a sexual way, so I got f**k all. I had lots of friends and now when I look back there's so many missed opportunities. I'm glad I looked into PUA.
You can easily do PUA without picking up at bars. I just use what I know in social situations that happen randomly. I don't approach groups to impress or some sh*t, I just go on like everyone else, but I'm better in the 1-on-1 situations with girls than I used to be. I know how to go from, talking to sexual tension to kiss, to f**k etc etc. I was so clueless before lol
Deeeeer PUA works for you cause you're hot. If you're hot you can spout any bullsh*t out your mouth and women will open their legs, you can even punch them in the face and they wont care.
Guys you are all bros and gentlemen, stop fighing over this sh*t.
I think the Whole PUA lifestyle is utter wankery but it has usefull tools to better yourself and make you a much stronger male. just throw away the crap and use whats left to help better yourself for yourself.
Deeeeer PUA works for you cause you're hot. If you're hot you can spout any bullsh*t out your mouth and women will open their legs, you can even punch them in the face and they wont care.
Might be easier for me than for a 4/10. But I seriously doubt that the difference is that big. I have a 5/10 friend who's getting laid like there's no tomorrow. Ginger even!
There's so much info in this thread already, and stuff to google, so why don't you try it out instead being such a disbeliever?
You're starting to remind me of one of those the-world-is-flat-it's-all-a-scam people lol
Might be easier for me than for a 4/10. But I seriously doubt that the difference is that big. I have a 5/10 friend who's getting laid like there's no tomorrow. Ginger even!
There's so much info in this thread already, and stuff to google, so why don't you try it out instead being such a disbeliever?
You're starting to remind me of one of those the-world-is-flat-it's-all-a-scam people lol
Cause if I have to trick a girl into being with me I don't want to be that girl.
Cause if I have to trick a girl into being with me I don't want to be that girl.
OK, fair enough. I hope you will find someone who likes your basement :)
Cause if I have to trick a girl into being with me I don't want to be that girl.
u dont have to lol, u actually have to tailor the PUA sh*t for you.
pretty much just tell a story about yourself, how you become who you are today. or a cool story where u are like super awesome n stuff. doesnt have to be like u went to the moon, it can be how you did groceries today.
GIRLS ONLY LIKE TALL GUYS, IM SHORT
GIRLS ONLY LIKE RICH GUYS IM POOR
GIRL ONLY LIKE HANDSOME GUYS IM UGLY
see where this is going? sh*tloads of ugly people have sex and relationships they just dont make a big deal of their shortcomings.
GIRLS ONLY LIKE TALL GUYS, IM SHORT
GIRLS ONLY LIKE RICH GUYS IM POOR
GIRL ONLY LIKE HANDSOME GUYS IM UGLY
see where this is going? sh*tloads of ugly people have sex and relationships they just dont make a big deal of their shortcomings.
>sh*tloads of ugly people have sex and relationships
No. Really ugly people can't touch anything else than a prostitute or a sleeping drunk slut in the bathroom of a nightclub.
everyone who says PUA doesn't work is totally not getting it.
PUA is about ADAPTING to your target, saying / doing stuff SHE likes
PUA works on EVERYONE at some level
>sh*tloads of ugly people have sex and relationships
No. Really ugly people can't touch anything else than a prostitute or a sleeping drunk slut in the bathroom of a nightclub.
Really ugly people have sex with really ugly people and make reaaaally ugly babies. Where do you think ugly people come from? Other ugly people. 's basic biology.
Might be easier for me than for a 4/10. But I seriously doubt that the difference is that big. I have a 5/10 friend who's getting laid like there's no tomorrow. Ginger even!
There's so much info in this thread already, and stuff to google, so why don't you try it out instead being such a disbeliever?
You're starting to remind me of one of those the-world-is-flat-it's-all-a-scam people lol
>why don't you try it out instead being such a disbeliever?
The reason people come up with this stuff "no, it won't work for me, I'm ugly" is just another excuse in their long list.
An excuse not to take action, because it's scary.
And it is scary, definitely, but if you want to better your dating life, sh*t man, it won't happen on itself, no matter how hard you wish for it. You need to take action.
I can actually debunk the "ugly guys can't get laid" myth right here and now. Picture related. It's an overweight, poor (doesn't have an apartment) fella, who this big-name PUA from UK spotted at a nightclub after this guy not only stole the PUA's girl, but had 15 other attractive girls sitting around him. The PUA then went on to befriending this guy and actually learning from him.
And the next excuse on the list...?
everyone who says PUA doesn't work is totally not getting it.
PUA is about ADAPTING to your target, saying / doing stuff SHE likes
PUA works on EVERYONE at some level
We're saying it won't work if you don't have the looks required. For example, if a woman wants only 6'+ guys, if you are shorter than this, you won't be able to do anything with her since she won't even answer to you when you try talking to her. How can you do you PUA stuff if she doesn't listen, then ?
Many people think PUA is manipulating or tricking a girl. Truth is: it isn't. Buying a girl drinks or dinner so that she may like you however is manipulating.
Food for thought?
We're saying it won't work if you don't have the looks required. For example, if a woman wants only 6'+ guys, if you are shorter than this, you won't be able to do anything with her since she won't even answer to you when you try talking to her. How can you do you PUA stuff if she doesn't listen, then ?
>implying people won't answer you IRL (NOT in Second Life)
And if you happen to run across a stuck up bitch who won't answer you, then what the f**k man, you have wasted 2 minutes, move on.
>why don't you try it out instead being such a disbeliever?
The reason people come up with this stuff "no, it won't work for me, I'm ugly" is just another excuse in their long list.
An excuse not to take action, because it's scary.
And it is scary, definitely, but if you want to better your dating life, sh*t man, it won't happen on itself, no matter how hard you wish for it. You need to take action.
I can actually debunk the "ugly guys can't get laid" myth right here and now. Picture related. It's an overweight, poor (doesn't have an apartment) fella, who this big-name PUA from UK spotted at a nightclub after this guy not only stole the PUA's girl, but had 15 other attractive girls sitting around him. The PUA then went on to befriending this guy and actually learning from him.
And the next excuse on the list...?
It's a picture of his face with a third of the face covered. We get basic face shape and hair colour. Try again.
Many people think PUA is manipulating or tricking a girl. Truth is: it isn't. Buying a girl drinks or dinner so that she may like you however is manipulating.
Food for thought?
Protip: any alteration of the environment or the people within is by definition manipulation. lrn2words
It's a picture of his face with a third of the face covered. We get basic face shape and hair colour. Try again.
So he looks attractive to you?
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
It's your life, I don't personally give a f**k about how you use it.
Girl: me either
Girl: but tittyf**k guy called himself a "Pick Up Artist"
Girl: and was like "What would you do if a guy came up to you and called you Jigglypuff"
Girl: I was like... I'd ignore him bc I think that's a really stupid way of picking up women
Girl: and he stopped responding
Conversation I had with a female friend about PUAs.
attraction is not a choice
learn2game
>implying people won't answer you IRL (NOT in Second Life)
And if you happen to run across a stuck up bitch who won't answer you, then what the f**k man, you have wasted 2 minutes, move on.
Sometimes they do answer but only to say something like : "Why are you talking to me, uggo ? Don't you see I'm out of your league, go away before I call my boyfriend to beat you up."
I wonder what would a PUA do in this case ? Nothing, because that doesn't happen to them in the first place since they are good looking.
Sometimes they do answer but only to say something like : "Why are you talking to me, uggo ? Don't you see I'm out of your league, go away before I call my boyfriend to beat you up."
I wonder what would a PUA do in this case ? Nothing, because that doesn't happen to them in the first place since they are good looking.
What a PUA would do is move on and not whine on anonymous, but uh...
I sense i sh*tload of samef**ging in this thread.
PUA turned into sh*t for me when i saw that picture of a group of men dressed as clowns entering a club.
I mean for f**k sake.
Girl: me either
Girl: but tittyf**k guy called himself a "Pick Up Artist"
Girl: and was like "What would you do if a guy came up to you and called you Jigglypuff"
Girl: I was like... I'd ignore him bc I think that's a really stupid way of picking up women
Girl: and he stopped responding
Conversation I had with a female friend about PUAs.
I think you and a lot of other people are under the impression that PUA somehow means canned lines.
PUA is nothing more than the ability to attract a partner. It's about being suave and confident.
I think you and a lot of other people are under the impression that PUA somehow means canned lines.
PUA is nothing more than the ability to attract a partner. It's about being suave and confident.
That would make most of the population a 'PUA'.
That would make most of the population a 'PUA'.
Yes, almost every man walking this planet knows how to seduce a girl.
No, wat.
Protip: any alteration of the environment or the people within is by definition manipulation. lrn2words
You know what context I mean it in.
PUArtistry is 50% improving your self confidence so you appear more attractive to women; 30% avoiding setting off womens creep-radar so they don't flee from you and 20% beating women at the stupid mindgames they play
Yes, almost every man walking this planet knows how to seduce a girl.
No, wat.
Yes. They do. You know that over 99% of the population has sex, right?
You know what context I mean it in.
PUAs are not 'tricking' or 'manipulating' girls into bed.
PUAs have worked hard on their whole lifestyle.
If one was to get out of mom's basement after 15 years, walk up to the first girl he sees and seduce her to bed in 15 minutes, he was manipulating the girl.
Luckily such a thing cannot happen, because you cannot manipulate girls into bed.
If you still feel that getting a girl into bed is easy or something you can learn by reading a book, sh*t, why aren't you doing it? And if you don't think it's easy, then what exactly do you have against men who better themselves to achieve the level where they are able to seduce a girl?
I used to have this friend that said he gets laid pretty much every weekend, which wasn't such a shocker since the dude was definitely good looking (no homo). I mean, he was a junior body building champion.
So we went to this club with some other friends, and i'm curious now. I'd like to see how Mr. Junior Universe gets chicks. And straight from the start he basically walk up to EVERY girl in the club. Serisouly, while i was just sitting back having a good time you'd see him walking around talking to girls.
It took him 2 hours to find a chick willingly enough. And he only managed to get his finger wet. While i was having a good time, he was frantically running around trying to get laid.
The whole PUA sh*t is bullsh*t, the only thing you do is try to talk with as much girls as possible...and yeah, of course there will be one horny enough to let you f**k her.
Yes. They do. You know that over 99% of the population has sex, right?
I don't think paying a hooker, raping or removing the clothes of someone sleeping can be called seducing
Yes. They do. You know that over 99% of the population has sex, right?
Don't you think there's a difference between having sex with your partner and actually being able to seduce a girl?
Also, 99% of the population is NOT having sex, I can tell you that.
PUAs are not 'tricking' or 'manipulating' girls into bed.
PUAs have worked hard on their whole lifestyle.
If one was to get out of mom's basement after 15 years, walk up to the first girl he sees and seduce her to bed in 15 minutes, he was manipulating the girl.
Luckily such a thing cannot happen, because you cannot manipulate girls into bed.
If you still feel that getting a girl into bed is easy or something you can learn by reading a book, sh*t, why aren't you doing it? And if you don't think it's easy, then what exactly do you have against men who better themselves to achieve the level where they are able to seduce a girl?
You know that seduction is just another form of manipulation, right? That's what the word means.
PUAs are not 'tricking' or 'manipulating' girls into bed.
PUAs have worked hard on their whole lifestyle.
If one was to get out of mom's basement after 15 years, walk up to the first girl he sees and seduce her to bed in 15 minutes, he was manipulating the girl.
Luckily such a thing cannot happen, because you cannot manipulate girls into bed.
If you still feel that getting a girl into bed is easy or something you can learn by reading a book, sh*t, why aren't you doing it? And if you don't think it's easy, then what exactly do you have against men who better themselves to achieve the level where they are able to seduce a girl?
>Luckily such a thing cannot happen, because you cannot manipulate girls into bed.
O yeah... and wearing a Rolex while you're homeless/dirt poor isn't manipulating.
Regarding the dude in
>why don't you try it out instead being such a disbeliever?
The reason people come up with this stuff "no, it won't work for me, I'm ugly" is just another excuse in their long list.
An excuse not to take action, because it's scary.
And it is scary, definitely, but if you want to better your dating life, sh*t man, it won't happen on itself, no matter how hard you wish for it. You need to take action.
I can actually debunk the "ugly guys can't get laid" myth right here and now. Picture related. It's an overweight, poor (doesn't have an apartment) fella, who this big-name PUA from UK spotted at a nightclub after this guy not only stole the PUA's girl, but had 15 other attractive girls sitting around him. The PUA then went on to befriending this guy and actually learning from him.
And the next excuse on the list...?
I used to have this friend that said he gets laid pretty much every weekend, which wasn't such a shocker since the dude was definitely good looking (no homo). I mean, he was a junior body building champion.
So we went to this club with some other friends, and i'm curious now. I'd like to see how Mr. Junior Universe gets chicks. And straight from the start he basically walk up to EVERY girl in the club. Serisouly, while i was just sitting back having a good time you'd see him walking around talking to girls.
It took him 2 hours to find a chick willingly enough. And he only managed to get his finger wet. While i was having a good time, he was frantically running around trying to get laid.
The whole PUA sh*t is bullsh*t, the only thing you do is try to talk with as much girls as possible...and yeah, of course there will be one horny enough to let you f**k her.
>The whole PUA sh*t is bullsh*t
Tell me this before going on to judge the whole thing into bullsh*t; how much have you actually studied it, how many books have you read about the subject?
I'm assuming it's somewhere between watching one episode of The Pick-Up Artist and reading Neil Strauss' almost ten year old book 'The Game', no?
Because it's actually quite far from trying to talk with as many girls as possible.
>Luckily such a thing cannot happen, because you cannot manipulate girls into bed.
O yeah... and wearing a Rolex while you're homeless/dirt poor isn't manipulating.
Regarding the dude in
And you know exactly what clock and how expensive it is just by looking at that picture?
You can tell it's not a fake too, right?
Keep coming up with them excuses, it's your life, man.
Don't you think there's a difference between having sex with your partner and actually being able to seduce a girl?
Also, 99% of the population is NOT having sex, I can tell you that.
>Don't you think there's a difference between having sex with your partner and actually being able to seduce a girl?
How do you seriously think people get into relationships? Convince the other based on logical reasoning and well founded arguments to have intercourse? No you fool, it's seduction. Even in the relationship itself, seduction.
>Also, 99% of the population is NOT having sex, I can tell you that.
Statistics disagree with you friend, look it up. People tend not to die virgins.
>The whole PUA sh*t is bullsh*t
Tell me this before going on to judge the whole thing into bullsh*t; how much have you actually studied it, how many books have you read about the subject?
I'm assuming it's somewhere between watching one episode of The Pick-Up Artist and reading Neil Strauss' almost ten year old book 'The Game', no?
Because it's actually quite far from trying to talk with as many girls as possible.
To be honest, i haven't read/watched any of it. Like i said before, when i saw the picture of that clown on high heels with his fuzzy sombrero i instantly knew it was some gimmick.
But, enlighten us... please.
How do you go around picking up a girl in a club.
Just the utter basics.
>Don't you think there's a difference between having sex with your partner and actually being able to seduce a girl?
How do you seriously think people get into relationships? Convince the other based on logical reasoning and well founded arguments to have intercourse? No you fool, it's seduction. Even in the relationship itself, seduction.
>Also, 99% of the population is NOT having sex, I can tell you that.
Statistics disagree with you friend, look it up. People tend not to die virgins.
Statistics are made from surveys.
You know that seduction is just another form of manipulation, right? That's what the word means.
seduce
-entice into sexual activity
entice
-attract or tempt by offering pleasure or adviceantage
That leads me to one of the main points of the whole PUA thing, it's not about GETTING pu**y and GETTING laid, it's having a great time with the girl. It's not like you use her for sex and never call her again, at least it doesn't have to be.
PUAs are not 'tricking' or 'manipulating' girls into bed.
PUAs have worked hard on their whole lifestyle.
If one was to get out of mom's basement after 15 years, walk up to the first girl he sees and seduce her to bed in 15 minutes, he was manipulating the girl.
Luckily such a thing cannot happen, because you cannot manipulate girls into bed.
If you still feel that getting a girl into bed is easy or something you can learn by reading a book, sh*t, why aren't you doing it? And if you don't think it's easy, then what exactly do you have against men who better themselves to achieve the level where they are able to seduce a girl?
>If you still feel that getting a girl into bed is easy or something you can learn by reading a book, sh*t, why aren't you doing it?
I never said such a thing
>And if you don't think it's easy, then what exactly do you have against men who better themselves to achieve the level where they are able to seduce a girl?
I have nothing against those men, in fact I think they deserve all the success they get and a high five
>Don't you think there's a difference between having sex with your partner and actually being able to seduce a girl?
How do you seriously think people get into relationships? Convince the other based on logical reasoning and well founded arguments to have intercourse? No you fool, it's seduction. Even in the relationship itself, seduction.
>Also, 99% of the population is NOT having sex, I can tell you that.
Statistics disagree with you friend, look it up. People tend not to die virgins.
If you want intercourse you just need to catch her at the right time of the month and liquor.
And you know exactly what clock and how expensive it is just by looking at that picture?
You can tell it's not a fake too, right?
Keep coming up with them excuses, it's your life, man.
That's totally besides the point. Actually, that may be exactly the point i was trying to make.
A chick sees that (seemingly) expensive watch and instantly thinks "Ah, this bloke has teh monies".
You can't bullsh*t your way out of this one. He's wearing a seemingly expensive watch for what? So he can tell the time?
seduce
-entice into sexual activity
entice
-attract or tempt by offering pleasure or adviceantage
That leads me to one of the main points of the whole PUA thing, it's not about GETTING pu**y and GETTING laid, it's having a great time with the girl. It's not like you use her for sex and never call her again, at least it doesn't have to be.
PUA (Pick Up Artist)
-wear a douchey hat and think you're hot sh*t in a champagne glass (when in reality you're just cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup).
Statistics are made from surveys.
I'm gonna give you the straw you're clutching at.
PUA (Pick Up Artist)
-wear a douchey hat and think you're hot sh*t in a champagne glass (when in reality you're just cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup).
Are you jealous that it works and you're still in your basement alone or that you've fallen and been f**ked by PUA's time and time again?
Are you jealous that it works and you're still in your basement alone or that you've fallen and been f**ked by PUA's time and time again?
It doesn't 'work'. No woman is fooled by PUA tricks, they're just too obvious. She might sleep with you regardless though, maybe because she found your desperation adorable, or just for the novelty. At any rate, the women PUA sh*t does 'work' on are slutty enough to have slept with you anyway, and it doesn't work on any woman with half a brain, which are all the good ones.
Have I been living behind the moon or something?
Can anybody explain me what the f**k PUA is? I've never heard about it exept for a few thrads on anonymous.
I just read the game and I'm ready to pick up some bushes.
Are you jealous that it works and you're still in your basement alone or that you've fallen and been f**ked by PUA's time and time again?
We all know why they wear that stupid sh*t in the first place. Attention. You stand out from the rest of the crowd.
Same a guido's. When there is one (or more likely a pack) walking around in a club you instantly notice them.
And yeah, maybe that would attract certain females. Emphasis on the word "certain". Because chances are high the girl actually attracted to both guido's and leather pants wearing PUA's are attention wh**res. They like the attention they get from being with the guy.
But honestly, every dude who's desperate for pu**y enough to dress like the dude on the left is in my book a tool.
That's totally besides the point. Actually, that may be exactly the point i was trying to make.
A chick sees that (seemingly) expensive watch and instantly thinks "Ah, this bloke has teh monies".
You can't bullsh*t your way out of this one. He's wearing a seemingly expensive watch for what? So he can tell the time?
>You can't bullsh*t your way out of this one. He's wearing a seemingly expensive watch for what? So he can tell the time?
OK, so you are saying that the fact that he wears a seemingly expensive watch makes him good with women.
Why can't you do that? Just get a seemingly expensive watch and see the bitches come in, right?!
>You can't bullsh*t your way out of this one. He's wearing a seemingly expensive watch for what? So he can tell the time?
OK, so you are saying that the fact that he wears a seemingly expensive watch makes him good with women.
Why can't you do that? Just get a seemingly expensive watch and see the bitches come in, right?!
Because the kind of bitches attracted to seemingly expensive watches aren't the type of bitches i want to attract.
Not everybody is desperate enough for pu**y to f**k everything they can.
Because the kind of bitches attracted to seemingly expensive watches aren't the type of bitches i want to attract.
Not everybody is desperate enough for pu**y to f**k everything they can.
So tell me, what kinda girls are you after? What kinda bitches do you want to attract?
More importantly, what's your plan, how are you going to go about attracting those bitches?
So tell me, what kinda girls are you after? What kinda bitches do you want to attract?
More importantly, what's your plan, how are you going to go about attracting those bitches?
>More importantly, what's your plan, how are you going to go about attracting those bitches?
>More importantly, what's your plan,
>importantly.... your plan
>important
>plan
Well there's your problem.
So tell me, what kinda girls are you after? What kinda bitches do you want to attract?
More importantly, what's your plan, how are you going to go about attracting those bitches?
I'm not after pu**y. I've pretty much found out that with a bit of patience and just being around people you genuinely like... the pu**y will come itself. And even from girls you actually like (IE; a relationship might actually be a option).
If you're around people you actually consider friends you're bound to be comfortable and confident without faking it.
I'm not after pu**y. I've pretty much found out that with a bit of patience and just being around people you genuinely like... the pu**y will come itself. And even from girls you actually like (IE; a relationship might actually be a option).
If you're around people you actually consider friends you're bound to be comfortable and confident without faking it.
>the pu**y will come itself
If this is the case then why are you in this thread judging the people who wear seemingly expensive watches and f**k the bitches you don't want?
>the pu**y will come itself
If this is the case then why are you in this thread judging the people who wear seemingly expensive watches and f**k the bitches you don't want?
Because people in this thread are so f**king confident that the whole PUA routine would work on EVERY women.
That's bullsh*t.
And the fact that guido's (which essential are PUA's on steroids) can ruin a fun night out with their bullsh*t.
Because people in this thread are so f**king confident that the whole PUA routine would work on EVERY women.
That's bullsh*t.
And the fact that guido's (which essential are PUA's on steroids) can ruin a fun night out with their bullsh*t.
At this point I don't know if you're trolling or serious anymore but here's the main thing you got wrong
>PUA routine
It's not a routine. If you can't be arsed to at least read this thread where it's explained how it isn't a routine, please don't come and call the whole thing bullsh*t either.
I mean, if I didn't know anything about boxing for example, and I saw some guy hitting a punching bag I wouldn't go batsh*t crazy on his ass about "how punching a bag doesn't even help you at all". That's just crazy person behaviour.
And most guidos, at least the ones I know, don't have a clue about anything PUA.
At this point I don't know if you're trolling or serious anymore but here's the main thing you got wrong
>PUA routine
It's not a routine. If you can't be arsed to at least read this thread where it's explained how it isn't a routine, please don't come and call the whole thing bullsh*t either.
I mean, if I didn't know anything about boxing for example, and I saw some guy hitting a punching bag I wouldn't go batsh*t crazy on his ass about "how punching a bag doesn't even help you at all". That's just crazy person behaviour.
And most guidos, at least the ones I know, don't have a clue about anything PUA.
>PUA routine
1. Wear something that makes you stand out.
2. Act overly confident (even if you're ugly)
3. Walk up too a girl and try to "seduce" them
4. If the girl isn't interested, rinse and repeat on different girl
5. Keep doing this long enough and you'll end up getting laid.
That routine.
And i like that you've pretty much changed stance on how to argue about this. It went from "Dohoho, PUA is the sh*t" too "Mang, just let us be man...we didn't do nothing".
But i suppose you do make a point with that.
I sense i sh*tload of samef**ging in this thread.
PUA turned into sh*t for me when i saw that picture of a group of men dressed as clowns entering a club.
I mean for f**k sake.
that's Juggalos not PUAs.
lrn 2 stereotype.
>PUA routine
1. Wear something that makes you stand out.
2. Act overly confident (even if you're ugly)
3. Walk up too a girl and try to "seduce" them
4. If the girl isn't interested, rinse and repeat on different girl
5. Keep doing this long enough and you'll end up getting laid.
That routine.
And i like that you've pretty much changed stance on how to argue about this. It went from "Dohoho, PUA is the sh*t" too "Mang, just let us be man...we didn't do nothing".
But i suppose you do make a point with that.
No, PUA is still definitely the sh*t, I'm just trying to reason with you.
I have no idea what a PUA is! Plz tel meh
muteblawx
We're saying it won't work if you don't have the looks required. For example, if a woman wants only 6'+ guys, if you are shorter than this, you won't be able to do anything with her since she won't even answer to you when you try talking to her. How can you do you PUA stuff if she doesn't listen, then ?
You: Hi there.
Her: Go away.
You: What, you're not into friendly greetings? What do people say, then, if they want to know how you're doing?
Her: You're too short for me to ever date, I only date guys over 6', not midgets.
(NOTE: Right here, you can tell that this chick is a stuck-up bitch. Why you would even want to f**k her is a mystery. But, let's say that you do, here goes...)
You: Really? What's the deal with that? Someone like me isn't enough for you?
Her: Yeah, I don't date guys that I can look down on, you know? It looks stupid.
You: Sure, I understand. Then you DEFINITELY wouldn't want to date me if you're afraid of looking stupid. (put a comically HUGE emphasis on the word "definitely". Now she has to ask.)
Her: Huh?
You: Yeah, the last girl I dated, I made her come so hard once, she went cross-eyed. She said that she didn't even know her body could do that. Of course, she probably looked as stupid as you could possibly look, but I wouldn't know, because I was too busy [GOOD SEX MOVE] (Lean in close, tell her what you did, and say it in a low voice while you look her in the eyes. Look her in the eyes and -dare- her to turn down the sexual experience of her life. If you don't have a sex move, ask a wiser friend.)
Her: (doesn't know how to react. She is off balance, and you have planted the seed of curiosity, which IS the number one way to hook a girl)
You: I know, I know...it's a tough decision. Here, I'll buy you a drink. I'm going to finish mine, and settle my tab. You want to know what you've been missing out on your tall guy diet...you have that long to decide. I've got a $20 bottle of wine at my place that I've been saving. You can come drink it with me, or wait for someone taller and less...educated...
That's at least one approach that might work. Of course, you need confidence and nerve to pull it off, but nothing is off limits to a man who is clever and determined enough, you understand.
You: Hi there.
Her: Go away.
You: What, you're not into friendly greetings? What do people say, then, if they want to know how you're doing?
Her: You're too short for me to ever date, I only date guys over 6', not midgets.
(NOTE: Right here, you can tell that this chick is a stuck-up bitch. Why you would even want to f**k her is a mystery. But, let's say that you do, here goes...)
You: Really? What's the deal with that? Someone like me isn't enough for you?
Her: Yeah, I don't date guys that I can look down on, you know? It looks stupid.
You: Sure, I understand. Then you DEFINITELY wouldn't want to date me if you're afraid of looking stupid. (put a comically HUGE emphasis on the word "definitely". Now she has to ask.)
Her: Huh?
You: Yeah, the last girl I dated, I made her come so hard once, she went cross-eyed. She said that she didn't even know her body could do that. Of course, she probably looked as stupid as you could possibly look, but I wouldn't know, because I was too busy [GOOD SEX MOVE] (Lean in close, tell her what you did, and say it in a low voice while you look her in the eyes. Look her in the eyes and -dare- her to turn down the sexual experience of her life. If you don't have a sex move, ask a wiser friend.)
Her: (doesn't know how to react. She is off balance, and you have planted the seed of curiosity, which IS the number one way to hook a girl)
You: I know, I know...it's a tough decision. Here, I'll buy you a drink. I'm going to finish mine, and settle my tab. You want to know what you've been missing out on your tall guy diet...you have that long to decide. I've got a $20 bottle of wine at my place that I've been saving. You can come drink it with me, or wait for someone taller and less...educated...
That's at least one approach that might work. Of course, you need confidence and nerve to pull it off, but nothing is off limits to a man who is clever and determined enough, you understand.
Dude I lol'd just imagining a guy try that.
No, PUA is still definitely the sh*t, I'm just trying to reason with you.
Then why did you change the subject from actually PUA too "Why are you judging us?".
That's not reasoning. That's backing off and trying to take me on from a different angle. A angle that is much harder for me to defend. In fact, i can't defend it. Judging people solely on what they do is wrong. I can't (or try) not to do that. Or at least, there wouldn't be a good enough reason for me too fight that.
I can however argue about how people act. A guido in a club is a tool because he acts like a tool. Not be cause he looks like a tool.
The same goes for PUA's. They're not by definition douchebags, but they can certainly act like one.
Dude I lol'd just imagining a guy try that.
I guarantee you, a dude with the right flavor of charisma could make something cheesy like that work. And that is admittedly some corny sh*t that I just made up, but the essential strategy is the same.
She only dates tall guys because she -thinks she knows enough about you to know that you are not worth her time-
Your mission is to -make her doubt what she knows-
Your method is to -casually insinuate that you know what she is thinking, that she is a fool for writing you off, and that her reward for going against her code is unimaginable sexual pleasure-
Maybe I worded it badly. That's essentially what you do, though.
PUA is about getting them to fall for you on a emotional and instinctive level.
Asking them what they think about it is is on a logical level.
Cannot compare logic with feelings, especially when its women.
Truth
PUA theory is designed to tick off the attraction switches that exist in every stable, healthy, heterosexual woman's mind. Women that don't 'fall for it' are what we call red-light girls - typically, mentally unstable, asexual, or have an attitude based heavily around misandry and bitterness.
Not every woman I use the mystery method on sleeps with me. I don't claim that is the case. But no women I've ever met has responded negatively to the a man who demonstrates value, non-neediness, independence, the fact they're a leader of men, are well-groomed, socially intelligent, and a carer of loved ones...
Oh, sorry, no - you neckbeards should stick to what your doing. If you 'be yourself' hard enough, women will fall in love with you...
I have no idea what a PUA is! Plz tel meh
muteblawx
its a materialization of social dynamics and psychology concepts. Mostly its done amateurishly but recently it seems that pua has moved on into something more consistent. Its becoming as real and testable as mathematics.
I guarantee you, a dude with the right flavor of charisma could make something cheesy like that work. And that is admittedly some corny sh*t that I just made up, but the essential strategy is the same.
She only dates tall guys because she -thinks she knows enough about you to know that you are not worth her time-
Your mission is to -make her doubt what she knows-
Your method is to -casually insinuate that you know what she is thinking, that she is a fool for writing you off, and that her reward for going against her code is unimaginable sexual pleasure-
Maybe I worded it badly. That's essentially what you do, though.
I might add, the best way to do this is not to PROVE to her that you can do it. All you have to do, and in fact the best thing to do is not to PROVE, but to ENTICE. Make her CURIOUS. Girls can never resist satiating their curiosity, never. All you have to do is plant the smallest whisper of doubt, just get one of her brain cells to tell her that she -just might- be wrong about you. Then let her curiosity do your work for you.
Truth
PUA theory is designed to tick off the attraction switches that exist in every stable, healthy, heterosexual woman's mind. Women that don't 'fall for it' are what we call red-light girls - typically, mentally unstable, asexual, or have an attitude based heavily around misandry and bitterness.
Not every woman I use the mystery method on sleeps with me. I don't claim that is the case. But no women I've ever met has responded negatively to the a man who demonstrates value, non-neediness, independence, the fact they're a leader of men, are well-groomed, socially intelligent, and a carer of loved ones...
Oh, sorry, no - you neckbeards should stick to what your doing. If you 'be yourself' hard enough, women will fall in love with you...
lol I used to f**k all the time but then I realised girls aren't worth the effort. Now I don't f**k much at all and it rocks.
I guarantee you, a dude with the right flavor of charisma could make something cheesy like that work. And that is admittedly some corny sh*t that I just made up, but the essential strategy is the same.
She only dates tall guys because she -thinks she knows enough about you to know that you are not worth her time-
Your mission is to -make her doubt what she knows-
Your method is to -casually insinuate that you know what she is thinking, that she is a fool for writing you off, and that her reward for going against her code is unimaginable sexual pleasure-
Maybe I worded it badly. That's essentially what you do, though.
The only problem is that bitches stupid enough to actually have that viewpoint (only dating 6' +) are also to stupid to get what you're going after.
In other words, she would've walked away before you could even strike up a conversation like that.
Have I been living behind the moon or something?
Can anybody explain me what the f**k PUA is? I've never heard about it exept for a few thrads on anonymous.
Here you go anon
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pua
Of course it works, but that still doesn't make it stupid. I got ten pages into some of this sh*t once and threw it away.
Why? BECAUSE IT'S STUFF I ALREADY F**KING KNEW BUT DISREGARDED BECAUSE I WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO A BUNCH OF CRAZY FEMINISTS.
Never listening to women again, and I mean ever.
Truth
PUA theory is designed to tick off the attraction switches that exist in every stable, healthy, heterosexual woman's mind. Women that don't 'fall for it' are what we call red-light girls - typically, mentally unstable, asexual, or have an attitude based heavily around misandry and bitterness.
Not every woman I use the mystery method on sleeps with me. I don't claim that is the case. But no women I've ever met has responded negatively to the a man who demonstrates value, non-neediness, independence, the fact they're a leader of men, are well-groomed, socially intelligent, and a carer of loved ones...
Oh, sorry, no - you neckbeards should stick to what your doing. If you 'be yourself' hard enough, women will fall in love with you...
Wait wait wait.... So after the whole moral trip you've put me on regarding judging people on what they do.
You shamelessly do the exact same thing at the end of your post?
Truth
PUA theory is designed to tick off the attraction switches that exist in every stable, healthy, heterosexual woman's mind. Women that don't 'fall for it' are what we call red-light girls - typically, mentally unstable, asexual, or have an attitude based heavily around misandry and bitterness.
Not every woman I use the mystery method on sleeps with me. I don't claim that is the case. But no women I've ever met has responded negatively to the a man who demonstrates value, non-neediness, independence, the fact they're a leader of men, are well-groomed, socially intelligent, and a carer of loved ones...
Oh, sorry, no - you neckbeards should stick to what your doing. If you 'be yourself' hard enough, women will fall in love with you...
It's because you don't just "be yourself", you be the -most excellent version of yourself-. The most excellent version of any man embodies all of those characteristics, in one form or another, at least any man worth anything. Some people never had real men to raise them growing up, so it's harder for some than others to understand this. My dad instilled the idea in me that all of those things that you mentioned were what you strive for, as a man, so when I "be myself", there is a lot of that in me. If this isn't the case, all of that will be farther off from what your concept of "yourself". In that case, you start to -improve yourself-. You'll always be you, ALWAYS. It is inescapable. What happens is that you become a better version of you.
The only problem is that bitches stupid enough to actually have that viewpoint (only dating 6' +) are also to stupid to get what you're going after.
In other words, she would've walked away before you could even strike up a conversation like that.
Not if you phrase your greeting innocently enough.
Not if you play the part coming up to the hook straight enough (obviously not trying to get in her pants).
You can slip it by if you can fly under her radar. Appear innocuous and nonthreatening until it is too late for her to not listen.
Not if you phrase your greeting innocently enough.
Not if you play the part coming up to the hook straight enough (obviously not trying to get in her pants).
You can slip it by if you can fly under her radar. Appear innocuous and nonthreatening until it is too late for her to not listen.
If you did all that... IE act like you're not trying to get in her pants. Then why on earth would she say that she only dates men 6' or longer?
The only problem is that bitches stupid enough to actually have that viewpoint (only dating 6' +) are also to stupid to get what you're going after.
In other words, she would've walked away before you could even strike up a conversation like that.
Also, I might add that this girl you are talking about, this girl who will not speak to a man below 6' only exists in your scared, paranoid imagination. There is not one girl on the planet who is so stuck up that you could not get that small amount of conversation across. Sure, you couldn't sit her down and talk to her for hours out of nowhere, but she would give you 30 seconds to prove her wrong.
Also, I might add that this girl you are talking about, this girl who will not speak to a man below 6' only exists in your scared, paranoid imagination. There is not one girl on the planet who is so stuck up that you could not get that small amount of conversation across. Sure, you couldn't sit her down and talk to her for hours out of nowhere, but she would give you 30 seconds to prove her wrong.
Oke, lets imagine you can actually say all that sh*t.
Do you honestly think she'll change her mind just because YOU said you'll rock her socks off?
If you did all that... IE act like you're not trying to get in her pants. Then why on earth would she say that she only dates men 6' or longer?
Honestly, I don't know. It doesn't really make sense, does it? I was just taking that guy's fear-driven scenario and running with it off the top of my head.
Oke, lets imagine you can actually say all that sh*t.
Do you honestly think she'll change her mind just because YOU said you'll rock her socks off?
Yes. Because it's not what you say, it's -HOW YOU SAY IT-.
lol no, getting a girl is all about luck and timing. PUA, like every other form of "sel-help" philosophies, is just confirmation of what you already have - people just market it as something that "gives you a skillset" to make money off your insecurity
Honestly, I don't know. It doesn't really make sense, does it? I was just taking that guy's fear-driven scenario and running with it off the top of my head.
So you made up some logically impaired bullsh*t success story...rather then just stating the cold hard fact that's "Yes, there will be women who WILL NOT date short men"...
Yes. Because it's not what you say, it's -HOW YOU SAY IT-.
O c'mon...you'll have to do better than that.
I'm not a women, but i'm pretty sure my first impression of a guy wouldn't change just because he strikes up some funny anecdote about how he totally made some girl come.
Oke, lets imagine you can actually say all that sh*t.
Do you honestly think she'll change her mind just because YOU said you'll rock her socks off?
Also, I might add, keep in mind that -she doesn't know who you are-. She only thinks she does. There is, in this interaction, a huge void of uncertainty. This uncertainty is -who you are as a person-. She already knows what you look like. She doesn't know who you are. She doesn't know your passions, your drive, your emotions, your personality. She doesn't know. It's up to you to fill in that blank for her with the promise of unendurably pleasurable sexual ecstasy, you know...fill in her blank (wink, wink).
notice the woman's smile in OP's pic. Compare with trollface.jpg...
O c'mon...you'll have to do better than that.
I'm not a women, but i'm pretty sure my first impression of a guy wouldn't change just because he strikes up some funny anecdote about how he totally made some girl come.
The only reason why you think that is because you -have never met a guy who could deliver that line in a way that entices you to find out whether or not he is telling the truth-. All it would take for you to change your mind is to meet that one guy. Then, you'll be on here posting:
Yeah, it looks stupid, but let me tell you...I met this guy in a bar once, and he made that line WORK.
The way i see PUA is this.
In theory it's pure fiction, it's a delusion. Every PUA is delusional about being able to pick up every girl they want. BUT... they do get laid. Because in practice, it's basically the same as the old saying "if you try hard enough, you'll get want you want eventually". When you try to hook up with every girl in a club there is bound to be one who throws you a pity f**k.
ITT: butthurt females
So you made up some logically impaired bullsh*t success story...rather then just stating the cold hard fact that's "Yes, there will be women who WILL NOT date short men"...
1. There's nothing logically impaired about it, it's not a philosophical argument.
2. That never actually happened to me, that was a possible strategy that I hastily came up with.
3. No woman is uncrackable.
4. What I can't figure out is why you are all expending so much energy on making it look impossible. What do you have to gain by it? What good does it do you? It's a waste. You would be better off expending your mental energy on making it possible, instead of impossible. You want to talk about "logically impaired"...you pessimistic limpdicks putting my idea down are more logically impaired than I am.
Also, I might add, keep in mind that -she doesn't know who you are-. She only thinks she does. There is, in this interaction, a huge void of uncertainty. This uncertainty is -who you are as a person-. She already knows what you look like. She doesn't know who you are. She doesn't know your passions, your drive, your emotions, your personality. She doesn't know. It's up to you to fill in that blank for her with the promise of unendurably pleasurable sexual ecstasy, you know...fill in her blank (wink, wink).
Exactly, and too me some stranger talking about how he f**ked some girls lights out would be creepy as f**k.
>sh*tloads of ugly people have sex and relationships
No. Really ugly people can't touch anything else than a prostitute or a sleeping drunk slut in the bathroom of a nightclub.
Cause if I have to trick a girl into being with me I don't want to be that girl.
Deeeeer PUA works for you cause you're hot. If you're hot you can spout any bullsh*t out your mouth and women will open their legs, you can even punch them in the face and they wont care.
lolangryn00bs
1. There's nothing logically impaired about it, it's not a philosophical argument.
2. That never actually happened to me, that was a possible strategy that I hastily came up with.
3. No woman is uncrackable.
4. What I can't figure out is why you are all expending so much energy on making it look impossible. What do you have to gain by it? What good does it do you? It's a waste. You would be better off expending your mental energy on making it possible, instead of impossible. You want to talk about "logically impaired"...you pessimistic limpdicks putting my idea down are more logically impaired than I am.
The logically impaired part of your "idea" is that you stated that for that "strategy" to work you need to "bypass her radar".
In simple words, she NEEDS to know from the get-go you're not trying to get in her pants. If she does know she'll just hear some bullsh*t rambling when you're basically convincing her to have sex with you.
O, and i'f you're trying to take in from that "innocent" angle...why would she say that she only dates taller men?
Exactly, and too me some stranger talking about how he f**ked some girls lights out would be creepy as f**k.
Yeah, well, I threw my own personal disclaimer right there in the middle of it, if you even cared to read the whole thing.
The logically impaired part of your "idea" is that you stated that for that "strategy" to work you need to "bypass her radar".
In simple words, she NEEDS to know from the get-go you're not trying to get in her pants. If she does know she'll just hear some bullsh*t rambling when you're basically convincing her to have sex with you.
O, and i'f you're trying to take in from that "innocent" angle...why would she say that she only dates taller men?
Well, touche. You got me. I don't know. The more pertinent logical question would be: Why are you wasting your time with someone that prejudiced? What kind of a human being would shut you out completely just because of your height? No one worth sticking your c**k into. That's the real "logical impairment".
Yeah, well, I threw my own personal disclaimer right there in the middle of it, if you even cared to read the whole thing.
Oke, so lets look at this from the girls point of view.
You're standing here just minding your own business when some dude comes up to you and says "Hi there".
-Important part-
Now you make the first impression, what does he want. 1. He's chasing my phonenumber? Or 2. just casually being friendly.
If it's 1...reply with "Go away, i only date taller guys". At this point you're basically screwed, no matter what you'll say. She's not interested and everything that comes out of your mouth after that is either you calling her a bitch or you trying to convince her too still give you her phonenumber.
If 2. SHE WILL NOT SAY SHE'LL ONLY DATE TALLER GUYS.
Well, touche. You got me. I don't know. The more pertinent logical question would be: Why are you wasting your time with someone that prejudiced? What kind of a human being would shut you out completely just because of your height? No one worth sticking your c**k into. That's the real "logical impairment".
O wow, you know you're wrong... and yet you're still trying to be right.
And it's not your fault for being short, and neither is it her fault for being attracted to taller men.
It's just the way it is. If you're not into short women, would you still date one even though you know things wouldn't work out?
the only reasonable thing to end these arguments would be to make a case study whether or not pua minded people have a bigger success rate compared to normal people.
> ask a bunch of fish what they thing about fishing rods
> they all hate it and would never fall for it.
what now fishermenf**s?
made me lol
the only reasonable thing to end these arguments would be to make a case study whether or not pua minded people have a bigger success rate compared to normal people.
That's like making a case study about two groups of people throwing pieces of paper in the garbage bin from a long distance.
One group occasionally throws a paper when they come across a change to do so. And the other constantly trying for hour after hour.
Of course the second group would hit more. And maybe even get good at it. But them saying that they've perfected the art and are able to hit the bin EVERY time is just total bullsh*t.
(yeah i know, sh*tty metaphor...but i'm high... so i don't care)
O wow, you know you're wrong... and yet you're still trying to be right.
And it's not your fault for being short, and neither is it her fault for being attracted to taller men.
It's just the way it is. If you're not into short women, would you still date one even though you know things wouldn't work out?
Well, I thought about what you said. Why would I keep trying to push something like this, that is logically flawed to begin with? Why keep trying to be "right" when I know I'm "wrong"? thinkthinkthinkthinkthinkthinkthinkthink
1. There's nothing logically impaired about it, it's not a philosophical argument.
2. That never actually happened to me, that was a possible strategy that I hastily came up with.
3. No woman is uncrackable.
4. What I can't figure out is why you are all expending so much energy on making it look impossible. What do you have to gain by it? What good does it do you? It's a waste. You would be better off expending your mental energy on making it possible, instead of impossible. You want to talk about "logically impaired"...you pessimistic limpdicks putting my idea down are more logically impaired than I am.
>4. What I can't figure out is why you are all expending so much energy on making it look impossible. What do you have to gain by it? What good does it do you? It's a waste. You would be better off expending your mental energy on making it possible, instead of impossible. You want to talk about "logically impaired"...you pessimistic limpdicks putting my idea down are more logically impaired than I am.
That's why.
Because I wasn't logically examining the situation.
I just opened this thread and saw what looked like yet another pathetic manchild defending his belief that everything is stacked against him, and he can't win. And the more I read of these threads, the more it seems like you -want- that to be the truth. You want it to be that you are doing -everything that you possibly can do- and -nothing will ever work- so you are -justifiably lonely- because -the world is stupid and cruel and f**ks you over-. You would rather be right in this, and lonely, than wrong in this, with the potential for things to improve. Because that would mean that you are weak, lazy, and stupid...and you would rather be bitter and lonely than that. And that attitude sickens and disgusts me, so I just thought I'd find a way out of the impossible situation. Well, you can all rejoice! I couldn't find a way out! You're all f**ked. Happy now?
I bet you are.
Well, I thought about what you said. Why would I keep trying to push something like this, that is logically flawed to begin with? Why keep trying to be "right" when I know I'm "wrong"? thinkthinkthinkthinkthinkthinkthinkthink
>4. What I can't figure out is why you are all expending so much energy on making it look impossible. What do you have to gain by it? What good does it do you? It's a waste. You would be better off expending your mental energy on making it possible, instead of impossible. You want to talk about "logically impaired"...you pessimistic limpdicks putting my idea down are more logically impaired than I am.
That's why.
Because I wasn't logically examining the situation.
I just opened this thread and saw what looked like yet another pathetic manchild defending his belief that everything is stacked against him, and he can't win. And the more I read of these threads, the more it seems like you -want- that to be the truth. You want it to be that you are doing -everything that you possibly can do- and -nothing will ever work- so you are -justifiably lonely- because -the world is stupid and cruel and f**ks you over-. You would rather be right in this, and lonely, than wrong in this, with the potential for things to improve. Because that would mean that you are weak, lazy, and stupid...and you would rather be bitter and lonely than that. And that attitude sickens and disgusts me, so I just thought I'd find a way out of the impossible situation. Well, you can all rejoice! I couldn't find a way out! You're all f**ked. Happy now?
I bet you are.
Jesus f**king chirst, the more you post... the more i'm beginning to get the feeling you're trying to sell PUA.
And like i've said before...i'm not trying to win... i don't consider it a game... and i'm definitely not lonely.
That's like making a case study about two groups of people throwing pieces of paper in the garbage bin from a long distance.
One group occasionally throws a paper when they come across a change to do so. And the other constantly trying for hour after hour.
Of course the second group would hit more. And maybe even get good at it. But them saying that they've perfected the art and are able to hit the bin EVERY time is just total bullsh*t.
(yeah i know, sh*tty metaphor...but i'm high... so i don't care)
what? That is bullsh*t. You simply take lots of members from pickup communities and make them pass tests on their proficiency. You take out a large group of normalf**s as well. There has to be a lot of diversity, small guys, tall guys, ni**ers, indians etc.
You should eliminate any kind of different between the two groups except for the different in mindsets.
You then release them over a long period of time into the wild and see which group f**ks the biggest amount of bitches. The enviroment should be equal though. Meaning that the participants should change formation (sometimes going alone, other times with a few friends etc.) This formation change should also be equal in both groups.
This is the only way how to know for sure or am I missing something? I have no idea what you are trying to tell me otherwise.
This is like testing out whether or not depressed people have a lower chance to find employment due to their depression. Or whether or not christians go to jail more often. Same sh*t, amirite?
what? That is bullsh*t. You simply take lots of members from pickup communities and make them pass tests on their proficiency. You take out a large group of normalf**s as well. There has to be a lot of diversity, small guys, tall guys, ni**ers, indians etc.
You should eliminate any kind of different between the two groups except for the different in mindsets.
You then release them over a long period of time into the wild and see which group f**ks the biggest amount of bitches. The enviroment should be equal though. Meaning that the participants should change formation (sometimes going alone, other times with a few friends etc.) This formation change should also be equal in both groups.
This is the only way how to know for sure or am I missing something? I have no idea what you are trying to tell me otherwise.
This is like testing out whether or not depressed people have a lower chance to find employment due to their depression. Or whether or not christians go to jail more often. Same sh*t, amirite?
>study whether or not pua minded people have a bigger success rate compared to normal people.
Of course PUA minded people would get laid more. Because that's what they do... get laid. And like i said, even if that whole PUA sh*t is bullsh*t (which i think it is) they would still get more pu**y then "normal" people.
Where as a normal person maybe strikes up one or two conversations with the opposite sex, a PUA will talk to every girl he has too in order to get laid.
So LOGICALLY, a PUA will have a lot more sex then someone who's not.
what? That is bullsh*t. You simply take lots of members from pickup communities and make them pass tests on their proficiency. You take out a large group of normalf**s as well. There has to be a lot of diversity, small guys, tall guys, ni**ers, indians etc.
You should eliminate any kind of different between the two groups except for the different in mindsets.
You then release them over a long period of time into the wild and see which group f**ks the biggest amount of bitches. The enviroment should be equal though. Meaning that the participants should change formation (sometimes going alone, other times with a few friends etc.) This formation change should also be equal in both groups.
This is the only way how to know for sure or am I missing something? I have no idea what you are trying to tell me otherwise.
This is like testing out whether or not depressed people have a lower chance to find employment due to their depression. Or whether or not christians go to jail more often. Same sh*t, amirite?
Yep, same sh*t. It's a great way to legitimize your failure with science!
That's like making a case study about two groups of people throwing pieces of paper in the garbage bin from a long distance.
One group occasionally throws a paper when they come across a change to do so. And the other constantly trying for hour after hour.
Of course the second group would hit more. And maybe even get good at it. But them saying that they've perfected the art and are able to hit the bin EVERY time is just total bullsh*t.
(yeah i know, sh*tty metaphor...but i'm high... so i don't care)
oh wait, I see your point now. You are trying to tell me that it will be impossible to measure their effectiveness since you cannot measure the motivation.
Well, guess what. You can have one observer who can write down the killratio (rejected vs accepted). One group might do more trouble but if the other group does little trouble while still getting only sh*t results because of the lack of motivation it would mean that group is sh*tty.
I see another problem though. One group would specialize in f**king females who are more easy in order to get a better score. The normal group might not do such a thing. The only reasonable thing would be to try to classify all the females in an area and include them in the results.
Could someone post a guide/link with the basic structures of a PUA's strategies?
>study whether or not pua minded people have a bigger success rate compared to normal people.
Of course PUA minded people would get laid more. Because that's what they do... get laid. And like i said, even if that whole PUA sh*t is bullsh*t (which i think it is) they would still get more pu**y then "normal" people.
Where as a normal person maybe strikes up one or two conversations with the opposite sex, a PUA will talk to every girl he has too in order to get laid.
So LOGICALLY, a PUA will have a lot more sex then someone who's not.
Yep, same sh*t. It's a great way to legitimize your failure with science!
If this mindset gives you motivation to get laid without even knowing the principles then its already better than the default mindset.
The normal people would rather try to mask their efforts as "elegant" and "socially acceptable". To me it just reeks of laziness.
So yea, I just proved that pua is great without doing any studies. Thanks anon.
oh wait, I see your point now. You are trying to tell me that it will be impossible to measure their effectiveness since you cannot measure the motivation.
Well, guess what. You can have one observer who can write down the killratio (rejected vs accepted). One group might do more trouble but if the other group does little trouble while still getting only sh*t results because of the lack of motivation it would mean that group is sh*tty.
I see another problem though. One group would specialize in f**king females who are more easy in order to get a better score. The normal group might not do such a thing. The only reasonable thing would be to try to classify all the females in an area and include them in the results.
And then when you don't score, you can fix up your fragile ego with statistics and science to prove that it wasn't your fault. Or...wait, why would you even bother with any of this?
And then when you don't score, you can fix up your fragile ego with statistics and science to prove that it wasn't your fault. Or...wait, why would you even bother with any of this?
what are you implying? Are you just butthurt? No one cares for that sh*t. I am not even into pua.
what are you implying? Are you just butthurt? No one cares for that sh*t. I am not even into pua.
I'm implying that such a statistical analysis would not be anything useful that would help you "score". What if the statistics prove that PUAs score less? "See, PUA is a waste of time, nothing can help me get laid." What if the statistics prove that PUAs score more? "See, you can't get laid unless you do a bunch of fake sh*t, I'll never be one of those douchebags, so I'll never get laid." Thinking that the results of an objective statistical analysis can have any power over whether or not you will have sex is a useless idea.
Sh*t does work. It's just not the method - look at the 'science' behind it and adapt. You probably don't want PUA lifestyle, but if you understand the background you will improve.
Pirated some Mystery Method pdf and sh*t worked for me. Didn't use his method, but the guy is very logical when he explains the foundations. He's like a f**king sociopath who is good at standing aside and analyzing emotions and sh*t.
And of course women answer they don't like PUA. Mostly you are not going to present yourself as "I am going to go through a routine to press your emotional buttons and you will end up being attracted to me. Then I will f**k you"-kind of guy.
I'm implying that such a statistical analysis would not be anything useful that would help you "score". What if the statistics prove that PUAs score less? "See, PUA is a waste of time, nothing can help me get laid." What if the statistics prove that PUAs score more? "See, you can't get laid unless you do a bunch of fake sh*t, I'll never be one of those douchebags, so I'll never get laid." Thinking that the results of an objective statistical analysis can have any power over whether or not you will have sex is a useless idea.
What?
It would be a simple test whether or not men who carry this mindset have a higher success ratio.
Like testing out of dockworkers who are trained to operate a crane would have a higher chance to properly operate it compared to people who had no training whatsoever.
Humans are not special. We can map them out like we can map out the world. Their internal systems can be understood, they eventually can be manipulated, directly like with subliminal messaging or indirectly like with viral marketing (social dynamics!)
Are you worrying that you cannot properly encode yourself to do these actions? Learning to be social is no more difficult than learning to ride a bike. Personal experiences might turn the learning experience in a catalyst or an inhibitor. But eventually it can be taught to anyone.
Sh*t does work. It's just not the method - look at the 'science' behind it and adapt. You probably don't want PUA lifestyle, but if you understand the background you will improve.
Pirated some Mystery Method pdf and sh*t worked for me. Didn't use his method, but the guy is very logical when he explains the foundations. He's like a f**king sociopath who is good at standing aside and analyzing emotions and sh*t.
And of course women answer they don't like PUA. Mostly you are not going to present yourself as "I am going to go through a routine to press your emotional buttons and you will end up being attracted to me. Then I will f**k you"-kind of guy.
Exactly.
exactlydqds
>> Ask a bunch of women what they think about PUA.
>> They all hate it and say they would never fall for it.
>>What now PUAf**s?
PUA teaches you that women dont know what they want....so its an additional prove that pu actually works
I've always tried to be the nice guy when ever i met a new girl which got me no where and i never understood that. and when i did actually meet someone by being nice i always got walked on and cheated on. So last year i decided to try a new approach to women and be a complete and total dick to most females i met and i don't understand why but it attracted more women than i could have ever imagined. i don't like being this way toward women cause its not me, but it seems to be what most of them like and keep running back to. anyone care to explain this?
What?
It would be a simple test whether or not men who carry this mindset have a higher success ratio.
Like testing out of dockworkers who are trained to operate a crane would have a higher chance to properly operate it compared to people who had no training whatsoever.
Humans are not special. We can map them out like we can map out the world. Their internal systems can be understood, they eventually can be manipulated, directly like with subliminal messaging or indirectly like with viral marketing (social dynamics!)
Are you worrying that you cannot properly encode yourself to do these actions? Learning to be social is no more difficult than learning to ride a bike. Personal experiences might turn the learning experience in a catalyst or an inhibitor. But eventually it can be taught to anyone.
People who are social do not think at all like this.
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