Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
Cool troll bro.
Agnostics are just aspies who chose the position that lets them lecture others about technicalities. It's what they love most, being anal retentive about semantic issues.
I see a lot of 16 year old girls post in their religion section on Facebook, "Atheist." I want to strangle them. Atheism is not a religion. Just f**king put none you stupid c**ts.
tl;dr: Atheists are 16 year old girls.
Agnostics are just idiots who never took five minutes out of their life to read about Russell's Teapot.
Teapot blawks.
Agnosticism is a backup, for fa**ots who are afraid of going to hell if they denounce the fact that a god could exist.
OP doesn't even understand the pict he posted.
Take a stance? Really? Its simple really: I can't prove god exists. I can't prove he doesn't. Therefore I cannot be atheist or theist.
I see a lot of 16 year old girls post in their religion section on Facebook, "Atheist." I want to strangle them. Atheism is not a religion. Just f**king put none you stupid c**ts.
tl;dr: Atheists are 16 year old girls.
Iz can be 16 year old gurl?
Atheists: 15 year old goth kids.
that is not how gnostic is used
I see a lot of 16 year old girls post in their religion section on Facebook, "Atheist." I want to strangle them. Atheism is not a religion. Just f**king put none you stupid c**ts.
tl;dr: Atheists are 16 year old girls.
They're doing it to be edgy. There is not an atheist in existence who will admit that they prayed to god in times of need.
Agnostics are just idiots who never took five minutes out of their life to read about Russell's Teapot.
Teapot blawks.
You're magnets.
You make no sense whatsoever.
People choose Agnosticism because they genuinely are not sure whether or not a deity/deities exist. There's nothing wrong with being unsure about things. People are entitled to believe what they want. Please, stop making generalizations about everyone who holds a certain philosophical view.
Cool troll bro.
Agnostics are just aspies who chose the position that lets them lecture others about technicalities. It's what they love most, being anal retentive about semantic issues.
What this guy said. Agnosticism is basically atheism lite for people who want to feel more elitist than atheists.
It's like something awful. You act pretentious as f**k because you're in some different club now, but the reality is, you're still just another nerd on the internet train.
I see a lot of 16 year old girls post in their religion section on Facebook, "Atheist." I want to strangle them. Atheism is not a religion. Just f**king put none you stupid c**ts.
tl;dr: Atheists are 16 year old girls.
Most women tend to be atheists. They feel the need to belong to some kind of subculture, yet lack the ingenuity to follow one on their own accord. Thus, they choose the easiest, most popular one to follow.
Atheists: Scholars, artists, philosophers, European master race, Brad Pitt, Stephen Fry, Academics, Cowboys, Elite Mangudai, Samuel L. Jackson, Duke Nukem
Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
Deists: For those that love the Christianity and f**king hate the Christians.
BIASED
THIS LIST IS BIASED
CAN YOU SEE, EVERYONE ELSE?
IT'S BIASED
YOU SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO OP
HE'S BIASED
I THINK.
Most women tend to be atheists. They feel the need to belong to some kind of subculture, yet lack the ingenuity to follow one on their own accord. Thus, they choose the easiest, most popular one to follow.
Atheism is a pretty teenage thing. Yeah, most of the more respectable members of a community follow a religion of some sort. That's why you see mostly adults in a place of worship. Because they grew up.
Take a stance? Really? Its simple really: I can't prove god exists. I can't prove he doesn't. Therefore I cannot be atheist or theist.
So you're basically admitting you're too lazy to have faith, and too lazy to look for evidence god doesn't exist? Cool logic bro.
Why is it that drug addicts claim to become religious after using LSD or mushrooms? Simple, it's the fact that their brains are so warped by pot and drugs, they believe they've seen god.
Nobody here knows what gnosticism is apparently.
[It's not the opposite of agnostic]
Why is it that drug addicts claim to become religious after using LSD or mushrooms? Simple, it's the fact that their brains are so warped by pot and drugs, they believe they've seen god.
They usually become "spiritual" not religious. There is a lot of difference between the two. Religion implies a specific, unalterable doctrine that is the word of a god, or their prophets. Spirituality implies an easy-going sort of "live and let live" kind of philosophy.
Atheism is a pretty teenage thing. Yeah, most of the more respectable members of a community follow a religion of some sort. That's why you see mostly adults in a place of worship. Because they grew up.
>because they grew up
because they've reverted to the mindset of an infant.
Everyone is an atheist when they are in their teens. Once you smarten up and get older you'll realize Christ is the answer.
Why is it that drug addicts claim to become religious after using LSD or mushrooms? Simple, it's the fact that their brains are so warped by pot and drugs, they believe they've seen god.
>drug addicts
>LSD or mushrooms
wat.
So you're basically admitting you're too lazy to have faith, and too lazy to look for evidence god doesn't exist? Cool logic bro.
I find it funny how often the word "logic" is tossed around on a f**ked up imageboard.
Has nothing to do with lazy. No proof of existence. No proof otherwise. Real f**king simple.
There are a lot of cool agnostics, like David Attenborough, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan
Atheism is a pretty teenage thing. Yeah, most of the more respectable members of a community follow a religion of some sort. That's why you see mostly adults in a place of worship. Because they grew up.
There are a lot of non-respectable members and swindlers that follow religion as well. As there are plenty of Agnostic and Atheist people who are respectable.
gnostics are more interesting
Atheism is a pretty teenage thing. Yeah, most of the more respectable members of a community follow a religion of some sort. That's why you see mostly adults in a place of worship. Because they grew up.
Actually, you see mainly old people in church these days. Because they're the last generation that gives a sh*t about it.
gnostics are more interesting
Gnosticism is pretty rare these days.
Protip:
All atheists will pray to god on their deathbed, because they don't want to go to hell.
>Agnostics: rednecks
You have made me laugh this day.
Atheists: Scholars, artists, philosophers, European master race, Brad Pitt, Stephen Fry, Academics, Cowboys, Elite Mangudai, Samuel L. Jackson, Duke Nukem
Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
>Atheists: philosophers
Actually, only a few philosophers "take pride" over being somewhat atheist in the sense how 16-year-old rebels do, in fact philosophers tend to be even somewhat apathetic towards theological questions instead of advocating for atheism. Philosophers know they don't want to get associated with the fa**ot atheists teens that are really preachy, pretentious, hypocritical and prevalent today. And at least give some proper examples of people who pride themselves in atheism. In the end, a stance of apathy, not even engaging in ridiculous themes like theism is really the only way you can get out of the question without making a fool of yourself.
And what really makes my blood boil at times are people claiming to be atheist but with really, REALLY bad arguments from a philosophical point of view. Teens today try to advocate for atheism without even the basic theological knowledge needed, they just want to reject, reject, reject for the sake of rejection. And even worse is when you start to pick apart their unstable arguments they are 100% convinced that you are a theistic paladin on a crusade to convert them; so wrong. I am just interested in the arguments both sides have and that they are well built, not the theistic question at hand. I have actually not bumped into a theistic quarrel outside the internet since high school. So yeah, OP, do you have anything to back up your post with? You're not convincing anyone with just that post. Inb4 trolled
Protip:
All atheists will pray to god on their deathbed, because they don't want to go to hell.
Just like sailor cry out to Poseidon during a storm?
So you're basically admitting you're too lazy to have faith, and too lazy to look for evidence god doesn't exist? Cool logic bro.
>look for evidence for something's non-existence
cool paradox bro
Dear Atheists,
Please stop making completely unsupportable claims. Also, stop being completely obnoxious douchef**s. You're really only better than christf**s because there aren't as many as you.
Thanks,
Agnostics
stance? f**k you. seriously, f**k off. people tend to call me agnostic, which i guess fits with their definitions. but really i simply refuse to acknowledge such a nonsense question with an answer. why?
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT F**KING MATTER, that's why.
so there is no god? fine, f**king fine.
there is a god and he'll give me eternal life if i believe in him? I DON'T GIVE A SH*T, KEEP YOUR F**KING ETERNITY. i can't think of a f**king more boring thing than eternal life. mortality IS what gives life value.
so does god exist or not? WHO GIVES A SH*T. LITERALLY. F**K OFF WITH YOUR STUPID SH*T THAT DOESN'T MEAN SH*T.
>look for evidence for something's non-existence
cool paradox bro
that's not a paradox
I find most atheists are merely butthurt about their indoctrination to a church or religion in youth, and rail against "the system" as part of some sort of catharsis. There are exceptions, of course, but the vast majority fall into that category, at least in the Occident.
Agnosticism is a much more reasonable position. I would say I'm an agnostic theist, if that means what I think it's supposed to be.
Atheists: Scholars, artists, philosophers, European master race, Brad Pitt, Stephen Fry, Academics, Cowboys, Elite Mangudai, Samuel L. Jackson, Duke Nukem
Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
>Religious people believe there is a god, no fact or evidence will make them change their mind.
>Atheists believe their is no god, no fact nor evidence will make them change their mind.
>Agnostics know that they nor anyone can prove their is or is not a god. They simply leave this alone and pursue their daily interests.
That chart is stupid.
"Gnostic Atheist"
wtf?
>Elite Mangudai
Why did I lol?
that's not a paradox
Well better start looking then. God could be anywhere, can't rule it before we have looked everywhere. What should we look for? Oh, non-existence? Can you be a bit more specific? Well better start looking then.
Science: not sure of something, but with the evidence we have, we can assume theories to explain things. A driving force in the world, paving the way to medicine, electricity, nuclear power, internet, etc.
Agnostic Atheism: not sure if God exists because there is no evidence to prove or disprove him, but probability points that God most likely does not exist. Practiced by scientists.
Gnostic Atheism: Not even Richard Dawkins is this much of a hard ass. Practiced by 15 year old emo kids and edgy cowards who want instant answers to every one of their whiny questions.
>beleiving in anything more than science
lol
atheism is the only logical conclusion, while still except
that god is possibility but not probability
so agnostic atheism I guess
Well better start looking then. God could be anywhere, can't rule it before we have looked everywhere. What should we look for? Oh, non-existence? Can you be a bit more specific? Well better start looking then.
we better not. it doesn't matter if he exists or not. only idiots would search for a supposedly omnipotent being that apparently, if he exists, TRIES TO STAY HIDDEN.
and what if we find evidence? OH HEY GUYS GOD EXISTS HERE IS PROOF. and this changes what? ABSOLUTELY F**KING NOTHING.
Stop saying gnostic atheist you idiots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
It's not the opposite of agnostic
Agnostics are mature and have better things to do than sit around all day, think of more and more contrived reasons why they hate anyone religious, and jack off to their pseudo-intelligence.
Atheism is a religion. It's just instead of a "God" as you would normally imagine one, they are worshiping the lack of a God. Plus, atheists are just as fanatical and ignorant as the most annoying devout Catholic. Agnosticism is the true absence of religion, and by taking this stance you are saying "I could care less about religion or what God(s) you do or do not believe in". Atheists, on the other hand, can't seem to get enough of it.
Agnostics are mature and have better things to do than sit around all day, think of more and more contrived reasons why they hate anyone religious, and jack off to their pseudo-intelligence.
Atheism is a religion. It's just instead of a "God" as you would normally imagine one, they are worshiping the lack of a God. Plus, atheists are just as fanatical and ignorant as the most annoying devout Catholic. Agnosticism is the true absence of religion, and by taking this stance you are saying "I could care less about religion or what God(s) you do or do not believe in". Atheists, on the other hand, can't seem to get enough of it.
Well, actually, agnosticism is the result of a person considering religion, and answering with "I don't know," not an absence of religion. True absence of religion is exceedingly rare, for obvious reasons.
we better not. it doesn't matter if he exists or not. only idiots would search for a supposedly omnipotent being that apparently, if he exists, TRIES TO STAY HIDDEN.
and what if we find evidence? OH HEY GUYS GOD EXISTS HERE IS PROOF. and this changes what? ABSOLUTELY F**KING NOTHING.
Who was talking about a "he"? There's lots of candidates for potential god out there, several thousands, one could argue there are as many different candidates as there are people, why not leave open the possibility of a he/she/it/outside our perception of gender? See this is the problem of theistic questions; we assume we're talking about the same divinities when in fact we're not. Appealing to the bible to disprove the existence of the christian god still leaves say a couple of thousand gods left to prove they don't exist.
Agnostics are mature and have better things to do than sit around all day, think of more and more contrived reasons why they hate anyone religious, and jack off to their pseudo-intelligence.
Atheism is a religion. It's just instead of a "God" as you would normally imagine one, they are worshiping the lack of a God. Plus, atheists are just as fanatical and ignorant as the most annoying devout Catholic. Agnosticism is the true absence of religion, and by taking this stance you are saying "I could care less about religion or what God(s) you do or do not believe in". Atheists, on the other hand, can't seem to get enough of it.
I was going to direct you to
Science: not sure of something, but with the evidence we have, we can assume theories to explain things. A driving force in the world, paving the way to medicine, electricity, nuclear power, internet, etc.
Agnostic Atheism: not sure if God exists because there is no evidence to prove or disprove him, but probability points that God most likely does not exist. Practiced by scientists.
Gnostic Atheism: Not even Richard Dawkins is this much of a hard ass. Practiced by 15 year old emo kids and edgy cowards who want instant answers to every one of their whiny questions.
But then I realized you was trollin in that second paragraph.
Theist is understanding that there is no proof, but still believing that there is a god
Atheist is understanding that there is no proof, but still believing that there is no god
Agnostic is understanding that there is no proof, so not believing in either.
Gnostic is not an exact opposite to agnostic. It is a belief in a imperfect creator. Sometimes with a belief that there was a god who created this imperfect creator.
Atheists: Scholars, artists, philosophers, European master race, Brad Pitt, Stephen Fry, Academics, Cowboys, Elite Mangudai, Samuel L. Jackson, Duke Nukem
Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
>Atheists: philosophers
let me point out that a majority of the great philosophers have in fact not been atheists.
Troll thread I bet.
Atheist: Normal person who doesn't believe in God
Christian: Normal person who believes in God
Agnostic: Normal person who's in the middle
Yes, there are crazy Atheists, Agnostics and Christians but most are normal.
agnosticism is bullsh*t because it's just an epistemological point about not being able to disprove the existence of something that isn't a logical impossibility through mere lack of observation. it's double bullsh*t because most ideas about what god is are so logically inconsistent that the point quickly becomes moot.
Who was talking about a "he"? There's lots of candidates for potential god out there, several thousands, one could argue there are as many different candidates as there are people, why not leave open the possibility of a he/she/it/outside our perception of gender? See this is the problem of theistic questions; we assume we're talking about the same divinities when in fact we're not. Appealing to the bible to disprove the existence of the christian god still leaves say a couple of thousand gods left to prove they don't exist.
well "it" then you dickhead. ITS EXISTENCE IS A NON-ISSUE. IT DOES NOT F**KING MATTER. STOP THINKING ABOUT IT, AND GO CURE CANCER OR SOME OTHER WORTHWHILE THING.
agnosticism is bullsh*t because it's just an epistemological point about not being able to disprove the existence of something that isn't a logical impossibility through mere lack of observation. it's double bullsh*t because most ideas about what god is are so logically inconsistent that the point quickly becomes moot.
pseudo-intellectual teen detected
well "it" then you dickhead. ITS EXISTENCE IS A NON-ISSUE. IT DOES NOT F**KING MATTER. STOP THINKING ABOUT IT, AND GO CURE CANCER OR SOME OTHER WORTHWHILE THING.
I request better arguments.
poop troll
Christian here. You're all fa**ots.
>Post graph
>Use terms that the graph explicitly shows to be vague
Huh
oh wow
Gnosticism was here.
All other beliefs are fa**ots.
>Atheists: philosophers
let me point out that a majority of the great philosophers have in fact not been atheists.
if they couldn't figure out that god/religion were complete and utter nonsense, their other ideas are extremely suspect
Christian here. You're all fa**ots.
>Christian
Your being here already proves you're not, no matter how fervently you claim otherwise.
I request better arguments.
sigh fine
god can either exist, or not
* god exists: what do i care? he promises eternal life or some such bullsh*t. so? i don't want it.
* god does not exist: i still don't care.
in both cases, the end result is THERE IS NO USE IN CARING.
also, again, if he/it/aliens/them/she exists, they apparently doesn't want to be found, and is also supposedly omnipotent, if he/it/pie/etc exists. which means that it's NO F**KING POINT IN EVEN TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
Dear Atheists:
Shut the f**k up. you're making us all look like self-righteous, sanctimonious douche bag assheads.
Sincerely,
Other Atheists.
ITT: everyone misses the point of OP picture. Agnosticism and atheism are not in any way competing stances. Agnosticism is concerned with the existence of knowledge. Atheism is concerned with the existence of God. If you "don't know" if God exists, but don't believe in one, you are an atheist as well as an agnostic.
TL;DR: you are all arguing over nothing.
Agnosticism is a backup, for fa**ots who are afraid of going to hell if they denounce the fact that a god could exist.
Technically by most of the world's Mono-theistic religions, you'd go to hell anyways for being an agnostic. Personally, most Agnostics are just Atheists, but are just too much of fa**ots to say that they are.
Why do I need to take a stance? I'm pretty happy without caring whether or not there is a God.
ITT: everyone misses the point of OP picture. Agnosticism and atheism are not in any way competing stances. Agnosticism is concerned with the existence of knowledge. Atheism is concerned with the existence of God. If you "don't know" if God exists, but don't believe in one, you are an atheist as well as an agnostic.
TL;DR: you are all arguing over nothing.
not me. i'm just arguing that their entire argument is pointless.
The pope rapes little boys and I support that so I'm a Catholic.
What is the criteria for being a god, anyway? Superhuman powers?
F**k this sh*t, I'm worshipping superman.
What is the criteria for being a god, anyway? Superhuman powers?
F**k this sh*t, I'm worshipping superman.
worship the only being with the power to end the entire world
yourself
What is the criteria for being a god, anyway? Superhuman powers?
F**k this sh*t, I'm worshipping superman.
Sweet. I am worshiping the fundemental forces.
Why do I need to take a stance? I'm pretty happy without caring whether or not there is a God.
unless you believe in god, you are an atheist. You do not have to take a stance to not believe in something.
You guys are buttf**king retarded.
Most Atheists= There is no proof of god, thus there is no reason to believe in him. It's possible god exists, but then again it's also possible that Fairies exist. They are agnostic.
Most agnostics are also atheist, but some of them still get butthurt over atheism so they claim that Agnosticism is a 3rd way. Bullsh*t. If you don't believe in god you're an atheist, end of.
There are only two categories.
Atheist: Don't believe in god
Theist: Believe in God
You can be Agnostic Atheist and Agnostic Theist, but not just Agnostic by itself.
Agnosticism is a stable middle ground between two dangerous extremes. I'll wait until my death for answers. If I find myself in some kind of afterlife (heaven or otherwise), I'll raucously laugh at all the mouthbreathing, mentally stunted people who label themselves as atheists. If I'm aware enough to notice there isn't anything but blackness, my last thoughts are reserved for theists and the lie that their whole lives have been built on.
Atheism is unhealthy. Most atheists tend to have higher rates of depression, suicide, substance abuse, and drug addiction.
What OP is implying:
People who are agnostic towards anything, particularly (but not exclusively) God, consists of the following:
2 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Um, I genuinely would "label" myself as an apatheist.
I don't know. Nobody knows. I don't care.
It's easier.
Troll troll is troll but trolls gonna troll and y'all gonna get trolled
The original poster, as an atheist, simply wants to see himself as somehow morally and intellectually superior to theists and agnostics. He is no better, but just as bad as everyone else claiming their beliefs are somehow above everyone elses'. Then again, he's probably just an ugly trollop. My money's on that.
You're right, OP, I'm just a stupid little kid. I don't know sh*t even though I think I do. But I'm still young, I'm still learning. I don't think I should rush through many decisions, I should take my time, consider the options, then take what is hopefully the right option. Maybe that's it though, maybe there is no right option. F**ked if I know.
Agnostics are atheists who are too elitist to call themselves as such.
You guys are buttf**king retarded.
Most Atheists= There is no proof of god, thus there is no reason to believe in him. It's possible god exists, but then again it's also possible that Fairies exist. They are agnostic.
Most agnostics are also atheist, but some of them still get butthurt over atheism so they claim that Agnosticism is a 3rd way. Bullsh*t. If you don't believe in god you're an atheist, end of.
There are only two categories.
Atheist: Don't believe in god
Theist: Believe in God
You can be Agnostic Atheist and Agnostic Theist, but not just Agnostic by itself.
>It's possible god exists, but then again it's also possible that Fairies exist.
This f**king attitude
It implies that the whole concept of god is ridiculous. It's saying "I don't know there is no god - I just know that it's really really unlikely", which is essentially a gnostic viewpoint. A real agnostic atheist is open to the idea and makes little if any judgment toward it, but just doesn't personally believe.
>>Elite Mangudai
NOSTALGIA RRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUSSSSHHHHHHH
Brb, playin AOE2.
>It's possible god exists, but then again it's also possible that Fairies exist.
This f**king attitude
It implies that the whole concept of god is ridiculous. It's saying "I don't know there is no god - I just know that it's really really unlikely", which is essentially a gnostic viewpoint. A real agnostic atheist is open to the idea and makes little if any judgment toward it, but just doesn't personally believe.
>implying the concept of God isn't ridiculous
how do i omnipotence paradox
Agnostics are atheists who are too elitist to call themselves as such.
Elaborate. Or are you just talking out of your ass?
having the stones to realize that sometimes you aren't entitled to an opinion is what agnosticism is all about.
Take a stance? Really? Its simple really: I can't prove god exists. I can't prove he doesn't. Therefore I cannot be atheist or theist.
Youre confusing the definition of athiesm. Athiesm doesnt mean you believe there isnt a god[s], but that you simply dont believe in a god, theres a difference there. Any intelligent athiest will say that you cant prove there isnt a god, and thus there could be a god, but thats no reason to believe there is one.
More labels and words. They mean nothing.
I'm a "bacon sandwich". That means I do and don't believe in god.
The day human society stops labeling things and worrying about what other people do/say/believe is the day we will find god.
How can you deny the possibility of existence of a higher being, and how can you believe in something there is no solid proof for? For all accounts and purposes, theists and atheists are both misguided, irrational and without logic.
Not giving a sh*t>Agnostics>Atheists=Theists>In your face Atheists=In your face Theists
Insufficient data exists for a meaningful conclusion.
HURR U DON'T TAKE A STAND ON UNANSWERABLE, METAPHYSICAL QUESTIONS U R WEAK MINDED.
Please. For all we know, gods are alien entities who understand the universe on a far deeper level than us lowly humans (though not necessarily some bearded sky magician sitting up on a cloud). Maybe god is collective human consciousness. Maybe it's the f**king flying spaghetti monster.
I don't know and it has no effect on my life whatsoever so I therefore am incapable of giving a f**k. It's like the cake vs. pie argument, seriously.
ITT TROLLS TROLLING TROLLS TROLLING TROLLS TROLLING TROLLS
TLDR BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO
(except christians. f**k christians)
>It's possible god exists, but then again it's also possible that Fairies exist.
This f**king attitude
It implies that the whole concept of god is ridiculous. It's saying "I don't know there is no god - I just know that it's really really unlikely", which is essentially a gnostic viewpoint. A real agnostic atheist is open to the idea and makes little if any judgment toward it, but just doesn't personally believe.
How is that a gnostic viewpoint?
The odds of god existing are probably very low =/= THERE IS NO GOD LOL
If there is absolutely NO PROOF of God or a Fairy are you going to say 'lol the odds are 50/50 so I won't judge'? Really.
I just came from /u/ to get away from the crappy trolls and stupid, pointless debating over nothing.
Seems I forgot that everywhere on the internet is the internet.
It's good to believe in God (or unicorns) if it brings you comfort and gets you through the day, as long as you don't impose it on others or use it as an excuse to do bad things for selfish reasons.
Carl f**king Sagan.
Carl f**king Sagan.
we need a picture of this
Atheists are just butthurt because they're off the limelight. "Baww, pay attention to me! I'm smarter than you! Baww!"
Hilarious.
Elaborate. Or are you just talking out of your ass?
It's clear that most atheists and agnostics believe exactly the same thing: neither actively believe in gods, both accept the possibility of gods existing, there is no real philosophical distinction between the beliefs of your average atheist and the beliefs of your average agnostic.
Atheism is the more widely accepted term for this belief, it's what most people use both for themselves and in application to other people. Yet some of these atheists decide that they are too good for atheism, they don't want to be associated with Dawkins and they would much rather have the priviledge of looking down on both atheists and theists alike. Here is an archetypal example of this:Agnosticism is a stable middle ground between two dangerous extremes. I'll wait until my death for answers. If I find myself in some kind of afterlife (heaven or otherwise), I'll raucously laugh at all the mouthbreathing, mentally stunted people who label themselves as atheists. If I'm aware enough to notice there isn't anything but blackness, my last thoughts are reserved for theists and the lie that their whole lives have been built on..
The intellectual dishonesty of the agnostic position is astounding.
Atheists are just butthurt because they're off the limelight. "Baww, pay attention to me! I'm smarter than you! Baww!"
Hilarious.
please, who's the worst attention wh**re here, the atheists or christians like westboro baptist church? those crazy dudes are starving for attention, and every christian is just like that, except the westboro dudes have the balls to say that out loud.
Atheists: Scholars, artists, philosophers, European master race, Brad Pitt, Stephen Fry, Academics, Cowboys, Elite Mangudai, Samuel L. Jackson, Duke Nukem
Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
>Implying Atheism isn't just a bad as a faith-based belief system.
>Implying there is any more basis for Atheism than Judeo-Christian religions.
>Implying you're not a horrible troll.
>2/10
>Implying Atheism isn't just a bad as a faith-based belief system.
>Implying there is any more basis for Atheism than Judeo-Christian religions.
>Implying you're not a horrible troll.
>2/10
>>implying science didn't bring us anything tangible since its inception
>>implying you don't even realize that if wasn't for science you'd probably be reading books under candlelight
It is not possible to be gnostic. That would imply you know. Which you don't. No one does.
The only logical path is agnostic. Now, whether you pick Atheism or Theism is the only real choice.
>Atheists: philosophers
Actually, only a few philosophers "take pride" over being somewhat atheist in the sense how 16-year-old rebels do, in fact philosophers tend to be even somewhat apathetic towards theological questions instead of advocating for atheism. Philosophers know they don't want to get associated with the fa**ot atheists teens that are really preachy, pretentious, hypocritical and prevalent today. And at least give some proper examples of people who pride themselves in atheism. In the end, a stance of apathy, not even engaging in ridiculous themes like theism is really the only way you can get out of the question without making a fool of yourself.
And what really makes my blood boil at times are people claiming to be atheist but with really, REALLY bad arguments from a philosophical point of view. Teens today try to advocate for atheism without even the basic theological knowledge needed, they just want to reject, reject, reject for the sake of rejection. And even worse is when you start to pick apart their unstable arguments they are 100% convinced that you are a theistic paladin on a crusade to convert them; so wrong. I am just interested in the arguments both sides have and that they are well built, not the theistic question at hand. I have actually not bumped into a theistic quarrel outside the internet since high school. So yeah, OP, do you have anything to back up your post with? You're not convincing anyone with just that post. Inb4 trolled
So I guess you don't think turnabout's fair play?
>>implying science didn't bring us anything tangible since its inception
>>implying you don't even realize that if wasn't for science you'd probably be reading books under candlelight
>implying God didn't create science
>implying God didn't create science
humans created science
humans created science
No, God created science and created the means for humans to obtain science... and created humans.
It's clear that most atheists and agnostics believe exactly the same thing: neither actively believe in gods, both accept the possibility of gods existing, there is no real philosophical distinction between the beliefs of your average atheist and the beliefs of your average agnostic.
Atheism is the more widely accepted term for this belief, it's what most people use both for themselves and in application to other people. Yet some of these atheists decide that they are too good for atheism, they don't want to be associated with Dawkins and they would much rather have the priviledge of looking down on both atheists and theists alike. Here is an archetypal example of this: .
The intellectual dishonesty of the agnostic position is astounding.
I'd rather not be associated with atheists themselves, simply because they've shown themselves to be infantile in their behaviour and narrow-minded in their beliefs. Christians have their beliefs, be they as narrow as atheists', but at least most of them are well-adjusted grown-ups (apart from the American bible zone). If I could help it, I'd rather not label myself as anything, but seeing as my opinions and world-view fit best into what is considered agnosticism, that's what I'm going to roll with. At the end of the day, religion has no part in my life and I devote very little brain power to it, simply because I don't care.
No, God created science and created the means for humans to obtain science... and created humans.
Proof?
Didn't think so.
No, God created science and created the means for humans to obtain science... and created humans.
Like Newton created gravity?
No one created "science" dipsh*t.
I'll stay in the middle until I get irrefutable proof in one way or the other. You know, to keep my options open.
Like Newton created gravity?
No one created "science" dipsh*t.
According to the fool who posted above me, humans created science.
We all know God did it. I honestly wonder sometimes why people actually believe God didn't make all this.
Religion is my favourite kind of religion.
Suspense of judgment, motherf**kers. Jesus christ.
I neither believe that it is unknowable, nor that a god exists, nor that a god doesn't exist. "About that which is not evident to me, I must remain silent."
You've got to be a fa**ot to think that you have to have an opinion on every goddamn thing.
if atheism is real, why does jeebus live in the hearts and minds of millions of children all across the planet?
Agnostics: have the humility to admit they could be wrong in their assumptions.
Atheists: convinced they are correct.
sage.
>implying you can't be an atheist and an agnostic at the same time
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>>Elite Mangudai
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>>Elite Mangudai
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f**k u guys, the flying spagettie monster is going to f**k u all
More labels and words. They mean nothing.
I'm a "bacon sandwich". That means I do and don't believe in god.
The day human society stops labeling things and worrying about what other people do/say/believe is the day we will find god.
> The day human society stops labeling things...
Every word you used in your post was "labeling" something. "Labeling" things is also known as "language". The day people stop using language will be a very sad day.
Guys. C'mon. Guys.
Here's the truth about God and Science and all that good stuff that you guys enjoy so much that you sit on your ass and do nothing but bitch at everyone on the computer about.
Science: Our "knowledge" increase all the time. Whether right or wrong, nearing the end or just beginning, no one knows. No one ever will. No one on this earth in the next thousand years will know for sure if what they know is right, or the whole truth.
God: Obviously cannot be proven (neither can science really, as it's all just theory). You cannot prove anything exists any better than I can prove it doesn't. No one knows, no one will no. Or even worse, someone does, somewhere, and they will be thought of as crazy and wrong until they die, and the idea will be forgotten.
That's it. That's the end. Believe what you want to, whatever makes you feel better. But acknowledge that you nor anyone you may come into contact with will ever know "the truth." It's ALL just beliefs. You cannot convince them, and I'm pretty sure no one can convince you. But that's okay. Everyone is different. And their belief usually does not hurt you. God or Science, belief or disbelief, try and live your life happily because you will die not knowing "the truth." And yet you can still be happy in that un-knowing state. And isn't that what life's really about? Being happy? And if you don't think so, shouldn't it be?
Agnostics: have the humility to admit they could be wrong in their assumptions.
Atheists: convinced they are correct.
sage.
Any decent skeptic should admit they could be wrong. But until that extraordinary case is proven true, your behavior is informed by believing that God either does or doesn't exist (or, at the least, is watching you).
People who claim to be agnostic are self-deceiving. They do have a stance. They don't want to admit it.
I posted fourteen words in this thread. Clearly I win and you all lose.
Any decent skeptic should admit they could be wrong. But until that extraordinary case is proven true, your behavior is informed by believing that God either does or doesn't exist (or, at the least, is watching you).
People who claim to be agnostic are self-deceiving. They do have a stance. They don't want to admit it.
>your behavior is informed by either believing that God does or doesn't exist
The concept of God is not essential, whether positively or negatively, despite what your former-Christian ass wants to believe.
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>People who claim to be agnostic are self-deceiving.
>People are self-deceiving.
fixed
Agnostics: Mostly people who just can't be bothered getting into an argument with narrow-minded extremists. Usually Atheist, but can't stand the type of atheist who screams from the rooftops that God isn't real and that anyone who follows religion is a retard, so they distance themselves from them.
That's you anonymous. You are such repulsive people that others will lie about their stance just to get away from you. Enjoy your night.
>>implying science didn't bring us anything tangible since its inception
>>implying you don't even realize that if wasn't for science you'd probably be reading books under candlelight
>Implying science has any tangible connection to Atheism.
>Implying you're not another troll.
>.5/10
I can't confirm nor deny the possibility of divinity, divine beings or the afterlife, but right now the evidence points towards all of it being unlikely, thought not at all impossible. I'm just going with what's most logical at the time. If God appeared to me right now, would I convert? Instantly. But how about an atheist? I doubt he could be humbled. They drink from the cup of arrogance daily, and would still believe they were in the right, and that God (now proven irrefutably to be real) is just some illusion of the mind. The exact same goes for Christians: Both of you chain yourself to one single idea, leaving very little room (if any) to other ideas. In essence, you're smug and narrow-minded.
I can't confirm nor deny the possibility of divinity, divine beings or the afterlife, but right now the evidence points towards all of it being unlikely, thought not at all impossible. I'm just going with what's most logical at the time. If God appeared to me right now, would I convert? Instantly. But how about an atheist? I doubt he could be humbled. They drink from the cup of arrogance daily, and would still believe they were in the right, and that God (now proven irrefutably to be real) is just some illusion of the mind. The exact same goes for Christians: Both of you chain yourself to one single idea, leaving very little room (if any) to other ideas. In essence, you're smug and narrow-minded.
I'm an atheist, and I f**king envy theist. I want what they got bad, but unfortunately my mind doesn't work in a way that I can pick and choose what I believe because such a belief would be conveinent. or comforting.
>your behavior is informed by either believing that God does or doesn't exist
The concept of God is not essential, whether positively or negatively, despite what your former-Christian ass wants to believe.
Life long atheist here. You have been introduced to the concept of God. The chance is high that you have had to make a decision in your life that is informed by your belief in God or not.
Whether it's a decision to attend church or not, whether you've questioned your morality, whether you've considered where the universe comes from, you've thought about it.
You behave in a manner that reflects your belief as to whether a God exists or not. Claiming you don't is deceptive.
Life long atheist here. You have been introduced to the concept of God. The chance is high that you have had to make a decision in your life that is informed by your belief in God or not.
Whether it's a decision to attend church or not, whether you've questioned your morality, whether you've considered where the universe comes from, you've thought about it.
You behave in a manner that reflects your belief as to whether a God exists or not. Claiming you don't is deceptive.
even though i agree with your comment right there, i fiercely disagree that everyone does have a definite stance on God.
Atheists: Scholars, artists, philosophers, European master race, Brad Pitt, Stephen Fry, Academics, Cowboys, Elite Mangudai, Samuel L. Jackson, Duke Nukem
Agnostics: 12 year olds, hardcore kiddies, mallgoths, preppy white fa**ots, rednecks, Americans, schizoids, angry teenagers, streetcleaners, medieval peasants, people with extreme levels of brain damage
Dear agnostics, please actually have the balls to take a stance.
Thanks,
Atheists
Actually I'm agnostic because I know I'm not smart enough or have enough knowledge to determine whether or not God is real or not. Also who am I to say that? Also you got it the other way around. Most people on the Agnostic list should be on the Atheist list.
even though i agree with your comment right there, i fiercely disagree that everyone does have a definite stance on God.
I wholeheartedly agree. I can not confirm whether there is a god or not. Though I can say that certain forms of a god do not exist (eg. all benevolent, all powerful, all caring can not).
But in terms of practical knowledge I say that I know there isn't one. And that I also believe one does not exist. I will listen to people's hypothesis regarding God, but my default position is "No."
Actually I'm agnostic because I know I'm not smart enough or have enough knowledge to determine whether or not God is real or not. Also who am I to say that? Also you got it the other way around. Most people on the Agnostic list should be on the Atheist list.
That defines you as Agnostic. Now you just have to fill in the "Atheist" or "Theist" part by determining whether you believe a god exists or not.
In terms of your everyday, your practical knowledge, do you behave as if there is or is not a God?
If you aren't sure, let me ask this question: do you believe that God speaks to religious people? If not, why not?
Agnostics: Mostly people who just can't be bothered getting into an argument with narrow-minded extremists. Usually Atheist, but can't stand the type of atheist who screams from the rooftops that God isn't real and that anyone who follows religion is a retard, so they distance themselves from them.See ====>
That's you anonymous. You are such repulsive people that others will lie about their stance just to get away from you. Enjoy your night.Guys. C'mon. Guys.
Here's the truth about God and Science and all that good stuff that you guys enjoy so much that you sit on your ass and do nothing but bitch at everyone on the computer about.
Science: Our "knowledge" increase all the time. Whether right or wrong, nearing the end or just beginning, no one knows. No one ever will. No one on this earth in the next thousand years will know for sure if what they know is right, or the whole truth.
God: Obviously cannot be proven (neither can science really, as it's all just theory). You cannot prove anything exists any better than I can prove it doesn't. No one knows, no one will no. Or even worse, someone does, somewhere, and they will be thought of as crazy and wrong until they die, and the idea will be forgotten.
That's it. That's the end. Believe what you want to, whatever makes you feel better. But acknowledge that you nor anyone you may come into contact with will ever know "the truth." It's ALL just beliefs. You cannot convince them, and I'm pretty sure no one can convince you. But that's okay. Everyone is different. And their belief usually does not hurt you. God or Science, belief or disbelief, try and live your life happily because you will die not knowing "the truth." And yet you can still be happy in that un-knowing state. And isn't that what life's really about? Being happy? And if you don't think so, shouldn't it be?
He knows what he's talking about.
Life long atheist here. You have been introduced to the concept of God. The chance is high that you have had to make a decision in your life that is informed by your belief in God or not.
Whether it's a decision to attend church or not, whether you've questioned your morality, whether you've considered where the universe comes from, you've thought about it.
You behave in a manner that reflects your belief as to whether a God exists or not. Claiming you don't is deceptive.
That a concept 'exists' is no reason for me to have a fixed belief regarding whether it's valid when applied to reality or not. I don't need to make a judgment for or against every possible possibility - that's stupid, gullible and impossible.
Maybe you need to be reminded, like the bulk of atheistf**s, that the Christian concept of God isn't the only one?
That a concept 'exists' is no reason for me to have a fixed belief regarding whether it's valid when applied to reality or not. I don't need to make a judgment for or against every possible possibility - that's stupid, gullible and impossible.
Maybe you need to be reminded, like the bulk of atheistf**s, that the Christian concept of God isn't the only one?
I was going to use Thor as an example, but I figured that most every english speaking country has more experience with an Abrahamic god. Especially in Australia, where scripture classes form part of primary school education.
Anyone who has been introduced to these concepts knows of the baggage that comes along with it. God tells you what is right. God offers you heaven. Jesus sacrificed himself for you.
I'm sorry for not assuming you could think enough to consider that maybe, from all of the assertions that have been made that are rubbish, that this one might carry a bit more weight. That somehow this idea of "God", that affects politics, society, and human behavior, may have weighed a little more heavily on your mind than "Do unicorns exist?" or "Is there really a little green splong living in my shadow?"
You know of the concept of God. Whichever form it may be, since you are so presumptuous as to presume that I mean just one. When you heard this concept, you either acted as if it were real, or as if it were not. That decision... that behavior is what defines you as an Atheist or a Theist.
Pastafarianism points out that very idea. Just because you are unable to vocalise an opinion on your belief, or you're too gutless to come to a conscious conclusion, does not mean that you are suddenly a blanket Agnostic who excludes himself from either camp. The only way out of being one or the other is to have never been introduced to the concept. C**ks.
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