Saturday, August 28, 2010

Is Ecstasy harmless or a hard addictive drug?

My girlfriend and I are having an argument about Ecstasy. She thinks it's a hardcore drug and I'm trying to tell her it's not.
What's your say on it anonymous?




You can die the first time on it, like oh, my friends younger brother did.
Yes it is a hardcore drug are you a f**king MORON?

Biting the trollbait: yes it is a hardcore drug.

You can die the first time on it, like oh, my friends younger brother did.
Yes it is a hardcore drug are you a f**king MORON?

But it can be popped like candy by any idiot dance club girl? You don't have to learn how to shoot stuff into your eyeballs or anything AND it isn't painfully addictive.

i took it once. i didn't think it was anything all that special. adderall hits me harder I find.

You can die the first time on it, like oh, my friends younger brother did.
Yes it is a hardcore drug are you a f**king MORON?

Prove it. As far as I know there is no research proof that says someone died.
I would classify it as a mid-range drug. Harder than weed, but not hardcore like cocaine and the opiates.

My girlfriend and I are having an argument about Ecstasy. She thinks it's a hardcore drug and I'm trying to tell her it's not.
What's your say on it anonymous?

XTC today is one of the most toxic drugs in existence. Not because of the Ecstasy itself but because of all the toxins they put into it when they lack it. Enjoy swallowing morphine ghd and medical/chemical waste along side it.


But it can be popped like candy by any idiot dance club girl? You don't have to learn how to shoot stuff into your eyeballs or anything AND it isn't painfully addictive.

Your argument that it is not hardcore pertains to its entry method and addictivity?
>are you a f**king MORON?
Yes, it is a hardcore drug, it significantly alters your central nervous system as well as more hazardous short term side effects, you also suffer -immediate- withdrawal from its effects, which is something only a few drugs can do to you in one dose.


XTC today is one of the most toxic drugs in existence. Not because of the Ecstasy itself but because of all the toxins they put into it when they lack it. Enjoy swallowing morphine ghd and medical/chemical waste along side it.

It has a very low addiction liability, so it won't be a problem for most users unless they are the one percent who are addictive to it.

Ecstasy is pretty casual. I've found it's hard to come by good pills these days though.

No Mitsubishi? Lol, inferior countries. Netherlands does everything better, I suppose.


Prove it. As far as I know there is no research proof that says someone died.
I would classify it as a mid-range drug. Harder than weed, but not hardcore like cocaine and the opiates.

>hurr durr I like this drug so I'll say there's no way it kills anyone, EVER
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41949000/gif/_41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif


Your argument that it is not hardcore pertains to its entry method and addictivity?
>are you a f**king MORON?
Yes, it is a hardcore drug, it significantly alters your central nervous system as well as more hazardous short term side effects, you also suffer -immediate- withdrawal from its effects, which is something only a few drugs can do to you in one dose.

The withdrawal are not serious and many drugs have withdrawal even caffeine if you use it very often. A xanax can significantly help you with the withdrawal and coming down process.


It has a very low addiction liability, so it won't be a problem for most users unless they are the one percent who are addictive to it.

Its not addictive because of the immediate withdrawal effects I mentioned above. Not needing the day after is a technicality based on when your body tends to end up thirsting for it, which is as the dose itself wears from your system, not even once its over with.


The withdrawal are not serious and many drugs have withdrawal even caffeine if you use it very often. A xanax can significantly help you with the withdrawal and coming down process.

That is true about Xanax.
OP you need to cut that sh*t out, your GF is right.

My girlfriend and I are having an argument about Ecstasy. She thinks it's a hardcore drug and I'm trying to tell her it's not.
What's your say on it anonymous?

yes, it is a hardcore drug. get on some pot if you want to justify "softcore" drug usage


>hurr durr I like this drug so I'll say there's no way it kills anyone, EVER
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41949000/gif/_41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif

It scores below cannabis on your chart. Nice evidence f**ktard just more support for me.


>hurr durr I like this drug so I'll say there's no way it kills anyone, EVER
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41949000/gif/_41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif

Are you a illiterate retard that's not a death chart???


It scores below cannabis on your chart. Nice evidence f**ktard just more support for me.

Support like how? That an incredibly rare drug kills slightly less people than one that is used around the world nearly as much as tobacco?
If every single person who spoked pot also used Ecstasy, Ecstasy would be number 2 or 3 on that chart you f**king dumbass.

Ecstasy can be seriously damaging.
Nowadays it just means a pill containing ? and some stimulants.
Quite a few that have been tested contain methamphetamine.
And you're going to tell me that's harmless?
Quite a few are a c**ktail of stimulants that should never be administered together. We found one containing BZP, ephedrine, dex-amphetamine and a rarely known research stimulant.
If you mean tablet purely containing MDMA, you're living in a dream world. Less than 1/100 tablets will be like this.
Also MDMA is neurotoxic anyway, so long term use will cause damage to seretonergic and noradrenergic neurones.
I know all the drugf**s are going to complain, but tell me this. Where is your medical knowledge?
I'm doing a masters in neuropharmacology.
Suck my dick.

Ecstasy is a soft drug. Not as soft as weed, but still soft. Alcohol itself is only marginally more dangerous to one's health. The main problems caused by ecstasy are dehydration, overheating and neurotoxicity. The first two can be negated by generous amounts of water, the last one can be negated by moderating your use, just like alcohol.
The reason she thinks it's a hardcore drug is simply because it's illegal. Illegal means authoritarian minded people will fear it, since they usually have a lot of trust in their government. Furthermore, alcohol is adviceertised as something casual and safe all the time. Cool people drink it and get laid. Ecstasy is adviceertised (by anti-drug agencies) as something dangerous and scummy. People are conditioned to think illegal drugs are hardcore, even if they actually know close to none of the facts.


Are you a illiterate retard that's not a death chart???

Yes it is.
penisx

My girlfriend and I are having an argument about Ecstasy. She thinks it's a hardcore drug and I'm trying to tell her it's not.
What's your say on it anonymous?

It's the best drug you will ever do. It will change your outlook on life for the better, a lasting change that will be with you until the day you die. You will taste a happiness that most people live their whole lives without ever experiencing, unless perhaps you are an ascetic mystic in a monastery in India or something like that. DO IT. Both of you. Do it together. You won't regret it.

Ecstacy is a waste of time.
Buy MDMA crystals instead.
= much better time

Ecstasy is a soft drug. Not as soft as weed, but still soft. Alcohol itself is only marginally more dangerous to one's health. The main problems caused by ecstasy are dehydration, overheating and neurotoxicity. The first two can be negated by generous amounts of water, the last one can be negated by moderating your use, just like alcohol.
The reason she thinks it's a hardcore drug is simply because it's illegal. Illegal means authoritarian minded people will fear it, since they usually have a lot of trust in their government. Furthermore, alcohol is adviceertised as something casual and safe all the time. Cool people drink it and get laid. Ecstasy is adviceertised (by anti-drug agencies) as something dangerous and scummy. People are conditioned to think illegal drugs are hardcore, even if they actually know close to none of the facts.

>GUVMENT IS BAD. DRUGS ARE OK. YOU ARE NOT TRENDY CAUSE YOU THINK ITS ILLEGAL DDURRRRDDRRRR


It's the best drug you will ever do. It will change your outlook on life for the better, a lasting change that will be with you until the day you die. You will taste a happiness that most people live their whole lives without ever experiencing, unless perhaps you are an ascetic mystic in a monastery in India or something like that. DO IT. Both of you. Do it together. You won't regret it.

Master troll is.... not so obvious

HAHAHAHA
NOT REALLY DANGEROUS IF YOU TAKE IN MODERATION
Depends what's in it, check pill report before you guern.
Don't have like seven at a time like I did on boxing day, jesus christ heart pulpitations are not fun and the comedown the next day was excruciating. Remember to drink lots of water and hug strangers! You'll make friends.


Support like how? That an incredibly rare drug kills slightly less people than one that is used around the world nearly as much as tobacco?
If every single person who spoked pot also used Ecstasy, Ecstasy would be number 2 or 3 on that chart you f**king dumbass.

As far as I know no one died from ecstasy use and that's a harm chart. It's talking bodily harm. Most respected addiction researchers would not agree with that chat at all. It rated cannabis more harmful than solvents (like paint and airplane glue) Solvents are the only substance that research proved causes actual brain damage. So the chart is bullsh*t.


Support like how? That an incredibly rare drug kills slightly less people than one that is used around the world nearly as much as tobacco?
If every single person who spoked pot also used Ecstasy, Ecstasy would be number 2 or 3 on that chart you f**king dumbass.

> If every single person who spoked pot also used Ecstasy, Ecstasy would be number 2 or 3 on that chart you f**king dumbass.
What? What the f**k are you talking about? There is no interaction between ecstasy and weed. They effect two very different areas of the brain.

It is a hardcore drug, that has nothing to do with its legal status, origin, or otherwise.
Just get some ritalin for christ sake OP.

it's pretty hardcore man.


It's the best drug you will ever do. It will change your outlook on life for the better, a lasting change that will be with you until the day you die. You will taste a happiness that most people live their whole lives without ever experiencing, unless perhaps you are an ascetic mystic in a monastery in India or something like that. DO IT. Both of you. Do it together. You won't regret it.

LOL Ive tried ecstasy, MDMA etc etc
Its good, not life changing.


>GUVMENT IS BAD. DRUGS ARE OK. YOU ARE NOT TRENDY CAUSE YOU THINK ITS ILLEGAL DDURRRRDDRRRR

You don't have anything of use to say, so you simply insult the poster. You have a very childlike method of debating.


> If every single person who spoked pot also used Ecstasy, Ecstasy would be number 2 or 3 on that chart you f**king dumbass.
What? What the f**k are you talking about? There is no interaction between ecstasy and weed. They effect two very different areas of the brain.

Way to fail english. Here, let me break it down into TOTAL DUMBSH*T for you.
Lets say those graphs represent deaths from 10 million weed users and 100,000 ecstasy users.
Now lets pretend the 100,000 ecstasy users were at the same tier as the weed users, 10 million. If that was the case, their deaths would be within the top three of drug related deaths on that graph.
Also, you are a dumbass, if I forgot to mention it. Maybe if you weren't so f**ked up from your Ecstasy I wouldn't have you hold your hand through a god damn conversation you worthless dreg of society.

Posting in a hilarious troll topic
OP probably has never done XTC


Master troll is.... not so obvious


It's the best drug you will ever do. It will change your outlook on life for the better, a lasting change that will be with you until the day you die. You will taste a happiness that most people live their whole lives without ever experiencing, unless perhaps you are an ascetic mystic in a monastery in India or something like that. DO IT. Both of you. Do it together. You won't regret it.

He's not trolling
I was completely different before my first pill, I rarely take them now
I'm way more extroverted and have many more friends because of electronic music and guerneys

Sometimes i wonder how this can go on and on

i did xtc for three years, it depends on what pills you get because they are so random, but for safer argument i would say they are hardcore

>Post topic asking if ecstasy is hardcore or softcore
>argue with any poster who tells you softcore
I lol'd. OP isn't a troll, he very obviously has a problem


Support like how? That an incredibly rare drug kills slightly less people than one that is used around the world nearly as much as tobacco?
If every single person who spoked pot also used Ecstasy, Ecstasy would be number 2 or 3 on that chart you f**king dumbass.

>Implying weed is smoked by it's users as regularly as tobacco and in greater quantities


>Implying weed is smoked by it's users as regularly as tobacco and in greater quantities

Hi, you must not live in America, and if you do, are blind as sh*t.


Way to fail english. Here, let me break it down into TOTAL DUMBSH*T for you.
Lets say those graphs represent deaths from 10 million weed users and 100,000 ecstasy users.
Now lets pretend the 100,000 ecstasy users were at the same tier as the weed users, 10 million. If that was the case, their deaths would be within the top three of drug related deaths on that graph.
Also, you are a dumbass, if I forgot to mention it. Maybe if you weren't so f**ked up from your Ecstasy I wouldn't have you hold your hand through a god damn conversation you worthless dreg of society.

No one died of weed or ecstasy dumb c**t. It's not a death chart, unfortunately your 20 IQ can't understand semantics so you will never know the difference "mean harmful rating by experts" and death. Stop talking about drugs dickpump you obviously have no idea on the subject go back to your Pokemon thread.


No one died of weed or ecstasy dumb c**t. It's not a death chart, unfortunately your 20 IQ can't understand semantics so you will never know the difference "mean harmful rating by experts" and death. Stop talking about drugs dickpump you obviously have no idea on the subject go back to your Pokemon thread.

>that deathchart is not a deathchart
Oh, please do entertain me with your proof of this beyond insulting others to go post in pokemon threds.
Really, it will be quite amusing.

People who are saying it's hardcore are total squares.
Then again I'm a f**king coke fiend and have had pretty much everything bar heroin, and I've probably ingested heroin in some of the seedier pills, my perspective is skewed.


Hi, you must not live in America, and if you do, are blind as sh*t.


>Implying weed is smoked by it's users as regularly as tobacco and in greater quantities

Weed is ubiquitous but nowhere near as bad as cigarettes.


No one died of weed or ecstasy dumb c**t. It's not a death chart, unfortunately your 20 IQ can't understand semantics so you will never know the difference "mean harmful rating by experts" and death. Stop talking about drugs dickpump you obviously have no idea on the subject go back to your Pokemon thread.

A girl at the last rave I was at double dropped and died. It was overhydration.
Happens a lot in my town because the culture is so ingrained here.

Britf** here, just enjoying my country without drugs leaking from every god damn crevice like you filthy Americ**ts.

My girlfriend and I are having an argument about Ecstasy. She thinks it's a hardcore drug and I'm trying to tell her it's not.
What's your say on it anonymous?

Lol'd when I saw micro

guuuuuuud tiems, some pills are terrible and make you super hung the next day, but like most people say it's because of ppl cutting it with other crap, in which case buy somewhere else@! If you can find MDMA caps, you are in heaven!!@#!!
Oh but yea, they are addictive obviously, moderation is key... Been in Surfers Paradise QLD for 3 yrs and watched lotsa collegues epic fail outta uni after trashing their brains non stop

i took it once. i didn't think it was anything all that special. adderall hits me harder I find.

you got lame sh*t my friend, also op if you want to roll get mdma, if you want a usually sh*tty suprise buy ecstacy tabs. If you want good semi-legal substances(depending on where you live) get into the "research chemical" community. /thread

Britf** here, just enjoying my country without drugs leaking from every god damn crevice like you filthy Americ**ts.

I actually laughed
Are you serious?


A girl at the last rave I was at double dropped and died. It was overhydration.
Happens a lot in my town because the culture is so ingrained here.

That's called death by overhydration not by ecstasy and do you know the details?? Did you do the autopsy?? Was she drinking alcohol that night?? Cocaine?? No you don't.

Britf** here, just enjoying my country without drugs leaking from every god damn crevice like you filthy Americ**ts.

SHUT THE F**K UP YOU FA**OTS APPEAR IN EVERY GOD DAMN THREAD THESE DAYS NO ONE GIVES A SH*T ABOUT YOUR WORTHLESS F**KING ISLAND YOU ARE THE 51ST STATE GET OVER YOURSELF FYGSIFLFSFFFUUUCCKKK

What does it mean if the ecstasy pills are in the plastic capsules instead of pressed like in OP's pic?

>I'VE NEVER TRIED DRUGS BUT I'LL BLINDY FOLLOW WHAT SOMEONE WITH A POLITCAL AGENDA SAYS
That being said, I'll never touch any amphetamines or things that require a needle.

What does it mean if the ecstasy pills are in the plastic capsules instead of pressed like in OP's pic?

That usually means 1 of 3 things, pure MDxx compound, "research chemicals" i.e. mephedrone, mdpv, 2c-x family or completely inert garbage.

Your girlfriend would be better off without you OP


That's called death by overhydration not by ecstasy and do you know the details?? Did you do the autopsy?? Was she drinking alcohol that night?? Cocaine?? No you don't.

Well arguably the girl was trying to drink too much water while under the impression she was not getting enough.
Would she have freaked out like that without the pill?
It happens all over, E kills indirectly, usually inexperienced people.
That said I've had 11 in one day and was fine (worst comedown of my f**king life)

Britf** here, just enjoying my country without drugs leaking from every god damn crevice like you filthy Americ**ts.

UK is swarming with pills!
and cheap coke!
what the f**k are you on?

>I'VE NEVER TRIED DRUGS BUT I'LL BLINDY FOLLOW WHAT SOMEONE WITH A POLITCAL AGENDA SAYS
That being said, I'll never touch any amphetamines or things that require a needle.

Thats odd, seems to me over half the people in this thread who called it hardcore have done it.


Thats odd, seems to me over half the people in this thread who called it hardcore have done it.

Depends what else they have done.


Thats odd, seems to me over half the people in this thread who called it hardcore have done it.

I should have said 'other' amphetamines, ecstasy is fun.

It has the potential to permanently change your brain chemistry. As in, you may, for the rest of your life, never feel the same depth of emotions as you had before experimenting with it. Yes, it is a "hardcore" drug.

Ecstasy can be seriously damaging.
Nowadays it just means a pill containing ? and some stimulants.
Quite a few that have been tested contain methamphetamine.
And you're going to tell me that's harmless?
Quite a few are a c**ktail of stimulants that should never be administered together. We found one containing BZP, ephedrine, dex-amphetamine and a rarely known research stimulant.
If you mean tablet purely containing MDMA, you're living in a dream world. Less than 1/100 tablets will be like this.
Also MDMA is neurotoxic anyway, so long term use will cause damage to seretonergic and noradrenergic neurones.
I know all the drugf**s are going to complain, but tell me this. Where is your medical knowledge?
I'm doing a masters in neuropharmacology.
Suck my dick.

I'm doing my masters in biospychology. This anon is not lying.


A girl at the last rave I was at double dropped and died. It was overhydration.
Happens a lot in my town because the culture is so ingrained here.

DEHYDRATION. It was DEHYDRATION.
Yes, it's a hardcore drug, yes it has harmful side effects. Here's two peer-reviewed medical articles for starters (mind you, the first one doesn't discriminate the possibility of a drug-using lifestyle, but the second one is sound).
http://www.springerlink.com/content/6w347wccj3xv1tv5/
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/68/6/719.abstract
It's not terribly addictive, but it can be subtly destructive, whether the problem of dehydration, teeth grinding (thus the pacifiers in some clubs), or neurological defects.
So yeah, it probably qualifies as hardcore.


DEHYDRATION. It was DEHYDRATION.
Yes, it's a hardcore drug, yes it has harmful side effects. Here's two peer-reviewed medical articles for starters (mind you, the first one doesn't discriminate the possibility of a drug-using lifestyle, but the second one is sound).
http://www.springerlink.com/content/6w347wccj3xv1tv5/
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/68/6/719.abstract
It's not terribly addictive, but it can be subtly destructive, whether the problem of dehydration, teeth grinding (thus the pacifiers in some clubs), or neurological defects.
So yeah, it probably qualifies as hardcore.

inb4 op/troll goes all NAW...NAW!!!! at this post

Amphetamine based so yes hardcore, class A

Amphetamine based so yes hardcore, class A

> Amphetamine based
Wut?

Here you go:
MDMA (3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine, commonly known as ecstasy) is an entactogenic drug of the phenethylamine and amphetamine families
Lulz for the kiddies

It doesn't physically harm your body as bad as most drugs, it doesn't have a physical addiction attached to it, it's rampantly and recreationally used as much as something like marijuana, I've never heard of a person dying from it alone (alcohol or other drugs are almost always involved).
I don't consider it a hardcore drug. At f**king all.


As far as I know no one died from ecstasy use and that's a harm chart. It's talking bodily harm. Most respected addiction researchers would not agree with that chat at all. It rated cannabis more harmful than solvents (like paint and airplane glue) Solvents are the only substance that research proved causes actual brain damage. So the chart is bullsh*t.

From my understanding, a very small percentage of people are allergic to MDMA.
Also, given the fact that it changes your brain chemistry pretty significantly and the fact that meth is often used as filler, I would call it a 'hardcore' drug....personally.


DEHYDRATION. It was DEHYDRATION.
Yes, it's a hardcore drug, yes it has harmful side effects. Here's two peer-reviewed medical articles for starters (mind you, the first one doesn't discriminate the possibility of a drug-using lifestyle, but the second one is sound).
http://www.springerlink.com/content/6w347wccj3xv1tv5/
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/68/6/719.abstract
It's not terribly addictive, but it can be subtly destructive, whether the problem of dehydration, teeth grinding (thus the pacifiers in some clubs), or neurological defects.
So yeah, it probably qualifies as hardcore.

I'm not that poster, but it potentially could have been water-intoxication. Still just as lethal as dehydration.

No damage at all:
Lulz
Upon overdose, the potentially serious serotonin syndrome, stimulant psychosis, and/or hypertensive crisis, among other dangerous adviceerse reactions, may come to prominence, the symptoms of which can include the following:
Psychological
Disorientation and/or confusion
Anxiety, paranoia, and/or panic attacks
Hypervigilance or increased sensitivity to perceptual stimuli, accompanied by significantly increased threat detection
Hypomania or full-blown mania
Derealization and/or depersonalization
Hallucinations and/or delusions
Thought disorder or disorganized thinking
Cognitive and memory impairment potentially to the point of retrograde or anterograde amnesia
Acute delirium and/or insanity
Physiological
Myoclonus or involuntary and intense muscle twitching
Hyperreflexia or overresponsive or overreactive reflexes
Tachypnoea or rapid breathing and/or dyspnea or shortness of breath
Palpitations or abnormal awareness of the beating of the heart
Angina pectoris or severe chest pain, as well as pulmonary hypertension (PH)
Cardiac arrhythmia or abnormal electrical activity of the heart
Circulatory shock or cardiogenic shock
Vasculitis or destruction of blood vessels
Cardiotoxicity or damage to the heart
Cardiac arrest, myocardial infarction or heart attack, and/or heart failure
Hemorrhage and/or stroke
Severe hyperthermia, potentially resulting in organ failure
Miscellaneous
Syncope or fainting or loss of consciousness
Organ failure (as mentioned above)
possible brain damage
Coma and/or death

It doesn't physically harm your body as bad as most drugs, it doesn't have a physical addiction attached to it, it's rampantly and recreationally used as much as something like marijuana, I've never heard of a person dying from it alone (alcohol or other drugs are almost always involved).
I don't consider it a hardcore drug. At f**king all.

Yes, because something doesn't directly kill you makes it perfectly safe.
/s
And it does physically harm you - both as 'pure' MDMA (which is rare) and especially in its "WTF IS IN THIS SH*T" more frequent form.


DEHYDRATION. It was DEHYDRATION.
Yes, it's a hardcore drug, yes it has harmful side effects. Here's two peer-reviewed medical articles for starters (mind you, the first one doesn't discriminate the possibility of a drug-using lifestyle, but the second one is sound).
http://www.springerlink.com/content/6w347wccj3xv1tv5/
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/68/6/719.abstract
It's not terribly addictive, but it can be subtly destructive, whether the problem of dehydration, teeth grinding (thus the pacifiers in some clubs), or neurological defects.
So yeah, it probably qualifies as hardcore.

> It's not terribly addictive, but it can be subtly destructive, whether the problem of dehydration, teeth grinding (thus the pacifiers in some clubs), or neurological defects.
As opposes to a drug that also causes dehydration (albeit to a lesser extent), is more neurotoxic than ecstasy, more addictive than ecstasy (to the point of lethal withdrawals), causes liver/heart/kidney failure and is more widely abused?
Yes, I'm talking about a legal drug. A legal recreational drug that 90% of people reading this has either taken or will take.


> It's not terribly addictive, but it can be subtly destructive, whether the problem of dehydration, teeth grinding (thus the pacifiers in some clubs), or neurological defects.
As opposes to a drug that also causes dehydration (albeit to a lesser extent), is more neurotoxic than ecstasy, more addictive than ecstasy (to the point of lethal withdrawals), causes liver/heart/kidney failure and is more widely abused?
Yes, I'm talking about a legal drug. A legal recreational drug that 90% of people reading this has either taken or will take.

Alcohol is not so easy to get rid of (thanks to cultural history and whatnot) - additionally light alcohol use doesn't have the same adviceerse effects (like a glass of wine with dinner is good for you, for example).
Oh, sure, you can overdose (as you can on a lot of things), but Ecstasy is bad for you (neurologically in the long-term and other effects in the short term) even if used lightly - that's the problem, and it's not one shared with alcohol.


Yes, because something doesn't directly kill you makes it perfectly safe.
/s
And it does physically harm you - both as 'pure' MDMA (which is rare) and especially in its "WTF IS IN THIS SH*T" more frequent form.

Drugs aren't safe, period, that's pretty much understood.
Also, I didn't say it WASN'T harmful to your body, I said it wasn't AS harmful as MOST drugs. The only real damage MDMA has on your brain is that it damages nerve receptors that can be repaired in a matter of weeks. The drug soup that Ecstasy tends to be can have a negative effect on your lever if you manage to reach neurotoxicity, but that rarely happens -- unless you aren't drinking water and taking handfulls of the stuff.
Case in point: 40 proof alcohol is just as bad for your liver as a few ecstasy tablets, Heroin kills your nervous system and eventually destroys motor functions, etc. etc.
Don't get me wrong mate, it's definitely not candy, but it's really not that hardcore.

Thanks to ecstasy I'll never walk again.


Drugs aren't safe, period, that's pretty much understood.
Also, I didn't say it WASN'T harmful to your body, I said it wasn't AS harmful as MOST drugs. The only real damage MDMA has on your brain is that it damages nerve receptors that can be repaired in a matter of weeks. The drug soup that Ecstasy tends to be can have a negative effect on your lever if you manage to reach neurotoxicity, but that rarely happens -- unless you aren't drinking water and taking handfulls of the stuff.
Case in point: 40 proof alcohol is just as bad for your liver as a few ecstasy tablets, Heroin kills your nervous system and eventually destroys motor functions, etc. etc.
Don't get me wrong mate, it's definitely not candy, but it's really not that hardcore.

My problem with it is that if taken repeatedly, it causes permanent brain damage. The thing about other drugs is that you can get transplants, get treatments - you can't for brain damage. [Note - Alcoholism can cause brain damage as well (Korsakoff's psychosis/alcohol-induced dementia comes to mind) but it's not so carelessly abused.]
The negative effects are pronounced and potentially permanent - as well, the short term effects (problems with water intake) can prove deadly especially in the club environment they're often taken in.
So yeah, I'd still have to put it under the label of 'pretty hardcore'. (Note, I got no problem with drugs, but I'd really recommend something safer like marijuana or LSD - seriously). Marijuana (non-smoked)/LSD don't cause permanent problems (and alcohol doesn't either in moderation), but the can't be said about Ecstasy.

[On the negative effects, just read the abstracts here]
http://www.mdma.net/toxicity/serotonin.html
http://www.mdma.net/toxicity/damage.html
Highlight from the second one: "...problems seem to remain long after the recreational use of Ecstasy has ceased, suggesting that the neuropharmacological damage may be permament."
Sh*t's scary!
Just because you might not always feel the bad effects doesn't mean they're not present but not in-your-face.
Don't get me wrong, recreational drug use is awesome - just maybe not this particular one.


Drugs aren't safe, period, that's pretty much understood.
Also, I didn't say it WASN'T harmful to your body, I said it wasn't AS harmful as MOST drugs. The only real damage MDMA has on your brain is that it damages nerve receptors that can be repaired in a matter of weeks. The drug soup that Ecstasy tends to be can have a negative effect on your lever if you manage to reach neurotoxicity, but that rarely happens -- unless you aren't drinking water and taking handfulls of the stuff.
Case in point: 40 proof alcohol is just as bad for your liver as a few ecstasy tablets, Heroin kills your nervous system and eventually destroys motor functions, etc. etc.
Don't get me wrong mate, it's definitely not candy, but it's really not that hardcore.

I'm pretty sure heroin isn't neurotoxic. It's 'harmful' because people don't know how to shoot properly and it's extremely addictive.

>I'm doing a masters in neuropharmacology.
Hey, when you said "long term use"
Could you define that?
Say, x pils over x days/months.
One girl I know takes sh*tloads of these things, been doing it for a while, would like to know if her brains are going to be cooked or not.
Cheers.

I used ecstasy once. I felt retarded the next day, no other side effects. Same thing for cannabis. It's softcore if you use it softly.

I used ecstasy once. I felt retarded the next day, no other side effects. Same thing for cannabis. It's softcore if you use it softly.

I didn't use ecstasy once. I felt pretty normal.

It makes people get into fights with families on the train, so it's a hardcore drug, you endanger other people. F**k what some doctor says, or what it does/doesn't do to yourself, that's your own personal problem.

>I'm doing a masters in neuropharmacology.
Hey, when you said "long term use"
Could you define that?
Say, x pils over x days/months.
One girl I know takes sh*tloads of these things, been doing it for a while, would like to know if her brains are going to be cooked or not.
Cheers.

It works the same as meth, your brain pretty much goes hyperactive because it blocks the synaptic reuptake of blah blah blah...
p\Pretty much, if you take too many over too long amount of time, your brain can't regulate the chemical balances. Taking e occasionally should be ok-ish, providing it's not dirty as f**k, but binging on e is pretty much the same as binging on meth.

It's not hardcore, the high is fun but nothing too powerful.
The problem is E's are becoming increasingly dirty. Good luck finding anything with a decent amount of MDMA in it, at least.
I much prefer acid, even though that's got the same issue, often it's something else than LSD. But i find the trips i've experienced have always been much more enjoyable.

If ecstasy kills you, it kills you via heatstroke.

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